On 27 Mar 2013, at 16:29, richard wrote: > I'm happy for you. I have been trying to germinate seed for several years now > with nary a one. I thought that perhaps my winters were too warm so the last > batch spent a few months in the refrigerator at 40 degrees F. Still nothing. > Any Pointers? > > Richard Wagner > Vista CA You need to keep them just above freezing, and quite damp. 40F isn't cold enough. Truth is, I think your climate is really too warm for E. revolutum to succeed, but should you have success with germination, plant the seedlings on the north side of your place in the deepest shade possible and keep them moist year round. When you have a colder than normal winter, you may get flowers. I have this problem with E. grandiflorum from Mt. Prevost, overlooking Duncan, BC from the north, where they grow on a steep north facing slope at about 2200' altitude. Being just that much higher than where I live (near sea level) and on a north slope, the site is quite cold. Consequently, my small stand derived from that site rarely flowers, and when it does, the flower scapes often don't elongate properly. If you get E. revolutum going, you may experience the same difficulty. Perhaps the best solution to your difficulties is to use them as an excuse to take a trip northwards in spring to see this lovely plant in its native haunts. You don't need to come all the way to Vancouver Island; it's common in Oregon too. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate