Ask Tony Avent -- he has the good ones. I sent most of the seeds from that cross to Tony. I'm completely out of the business! Jim Shields At 04:27 PM 7/5/2013 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Jim S. and all, > > >...... > > > The best for hardy outdoors crinums in my > > climate are the hybrid, Crinum [variabile x bulbispermum]. > > When will these hit the garden centers? ... > commerce? Thanks Jim W. ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Lat. 40° 02.8' N, Long. 086° 06.6' W