Ellen wrote > ...Shrewsbury MA, just east of Worcester (zone 6-ish... > ...a few Z. aethiopica from the eastern Cape [survived] > (also small and sad-looking, but technically alive, with, > I would assume, few prospects). When I was a child visiting my grandparents in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (now zone 5b but probably colder then) there was a house nearby with a thriving bed of Z. aethiopica, running along the entire west side of the house. This was about 5 1/2 miles / 8.3km from Lake Michigan. With the placement of the house next door, this bed received quite a bit of summer sun but very little winter sun. Winters in Milwaukee have featured very much less snow for many years now than when I was a child, and I have not seen that house for a long time. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA