Jim's L. lancifolium syn L. tigrinum without stem bulbils may in fact not be that taxon but rather L. maximowizii. However in my researches into this genus revealed that Maximowiz himself disputed the identity of some plants purporting to be that named for him. I have been working on this particular issue but that has been on hold due to illness and just to muddy the waters further there is (apparently) another taxon L. pseudo-tigrinum. One of my problems is that I have been struggling to obtain stock of known wild origin provenance for all of the above. The fact that their inflorescences are barely distinguishable from one another underlines the risky reliance of that old maxim (pardon the pun) of "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like one", may not necessarily mean any longer, at least with Lilium, that it is a duck. The work continues but any input from the other side of the pond would be welcome. This is not the only example of taxonomic uncertainty in Lilium, there appears to be, at least, one analogue in North America. Iain