Mike, get back on your soap box. There's nothing much else happening today. Complainers can use the delete key. I think some of those ideas are great, but I'm dubious about any solution which gets the 'authorities" involved. And believe me, I'm not an anti-government nut. For a good example of what goes wrong when "authorities" get involved, take a look at the labels placed on over the counter chemicals which are known to have potentially dangerous environmental effects. In deference to the local god Free Market, we allow these things to be sold as long as they are labeled for proper use. Yes, that is an important step in the right direction, and I'm grateful for it. But are prospective purchasers of such products required to demonstrate literacy? Are they required to show that they can read and understand the label? Are they given a psychological test to determine if they have sociopathic intentions, latent or otherwise? No to all of the above. And that leaves us where we started, which is to say people of good will will not do these things intentionally and evil, devious people will find ways of getting around the law in order to do them (or to unintentionally cause them to be done) . I'm out of positive solutions today; I hope others chime in and keep this thread gently bubbling. Jim McKenney