----- Original Message ----- From: <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:06 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 96, Issue 25 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Seed permit (Michael Mace) > 2. Re: seed permit (AW) > 3. Favorite stories about bulbs? (Michael Mace) > 4. Re: Favorite stories about bulbs? (Mark BROWN) > 5. Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Laura & Dave) > 6. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Mark BROWN) > 7. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer) > 8. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer) > 9. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > (bulborum botanicum) > 10. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer) > 11. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > (bulborum botanicum) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:01:06 -0800 > From: "Michael Mace" <mikemace@att.net> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Seed permit > Message-ID: <003301cbb9f9$c2a09450$47e1bcf0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dennis wrote: > >>> Wow. The e-application is hardly efficient or time-saving. So now I > have to drive to another county and show my photo ID ?!?? No thanks. > I'll just mail in a paper application. Geez. > > I had exactly the same reaction when I applied. For those of you who are > not familiar with what we're talking about, the US government gives you > two > ways to apply for a seed import permit -- you can sign up for the > electronic > filing system, or you can print and mail in a paper form. The government > website strongly encourages you to use the electronic system, and in fact > it's hard to find the paper form at all. > > But to use the electronic system, your ID has to be hand-verified by an > official of the US Department of Agriculture. And USDA offices are, > naturally, in rural areas where the farms are. They don't have them in > cities. When I first applied for my seed permit, I wasted a huge amount > of > time trying to figure out how I'd get over to my closest USDA office > during > business hours. It's in Hollister, CA (a small town about 90 minutes > south > of San Jose). Then finally I realized that I could just mail in the form. > > Why they have to physically verify your ID to use an online form, but not > to > use a mail-in form, is one of the great mysteries 21st century America. > > Mike > San Jose, CA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:01:44 -0800 > From: "AW" <awilson@avonia.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] seed permit > Message-ID: <61A041F0ABA34C58957DE5703C81AFE9@Desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Huh! Just scan in your ID. > > Andrew > > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb > Subject: Re: [pbs] seed permit > > Wow. The e-application is hardly efficient or time-saving. So now I have > to > drive to another county and show my photo ID ?!?? No thanks. > I'll just mail in a paper application. Geez. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:08:21 -0800 > From: "Michael Mace" <michaelcmace@gmail.com> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs? > Message-ID: <003701cbba03$28a79290$79f6b7b0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Like many of us, I have a fair number of bulb-related books at home. I > was > paging through them the other day, looking for some information, when I > realized that there are basically two types of bulb books. One is the > reference book, which focuses on giving information about various bulb > species. These books are usually great resources, especially if they have > pictures. > > > > The other type of bulb book is something we don't have a name for, but > I'll > call it a narrative because it usually tells a story. A bulb narrative is > more about finding and growing bulbs than about classifying them. Even if > it gives information on various bulb species, it's usually focused on the > experiences the author has had with them. Although the reference books > are > very useful, I find it's these narrative books that stick with me the > most, > and they're the ones I'll happily go back to and re-read again. > > > > Two examples: > > > > Louise Beebe Wilder's "Adventures with Hardy Bulbs" is entertaining > because > she honestly did think of bulb growing as an adventure. When she writes > about bulbs they aren't just plants, they are personalities. Some are > nice > personalities; some are evil. But they are never boring, and her endless > fascination with them is infectious. > > > > The second example is Janis Ruksans' "Buried Treasures." This book has > been > mentioned on this list a couple of times, but in case you missed it, > Ruksans > is a Latvian bulb collector who has wandered all over the former Soviet > bloc > looking for bulbs. He has a remarkable talent for getting into and out of > difficult spots, both geographically and politically, and this book > summarizes his travels. A typical chapter goes something like this: > > 1. Drive up hazardous dirt road into mountains looking for > rare bulb. > > 2. Find bulb. > > 3. Nearly get shot by nervous border guard who thinks he is > a terrorist. > > 4. Bribe border guard. > > 5. Go out to dinner and drinking with border guard. > > 6. Repeat process the next day. > > > > I'd be terrified to travel with the guy, but it makes for fun reading. > And > like Wilder's book, what makes the story work is the author's complete, > over-the-top obsession with bulbs. > > > > > Does anyone else agree with me about bulb narrative books, and if so, what > are your favorites? I'd like to find some more books to read. > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:13:06 +0100 (CET) > From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs? > Message-ID: <27073187.69541.1295683986735.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d18> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > Hello, > I for one am very fond of E. A. Bowles' gardening books. > His description of a "simple" bulb is a classic! > He was not very widely travelled though by todays standards. > Just european based and thus mostly european bulbs. > His description of Dracunculus muscivorus is quite something too! > > Mark > > >> Message du 22/01/11 08:08 >> De : "Michael Mace" >> A : pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Copie ? : >> Objet : [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs? >> >> "Like many of us, I have a fair number of bulb-related books at home. I >> was >> paging through them the other day, looking for some information, when I >> realized that there are basically two types of bulb books.... > >> Does anyone else agree with me about bulb narrative books, and if so, >> what >> are your favorites? I'd like to find some more books to read." >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> San Jose, CA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:04:39 -0800 > From: Laura & Dave <toadlily@olywa.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: <4D3A9DA7.3050501@olywa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I just got the book Crocuses: A Complete Guide to the Genus byJanis > Ruksans > and Brian Mathew. And my first impression is Wow! Perhaps now I can > begin to > make sense of this genus. I haven't had a chance to read much, but it > seems to > be full of information from someone who is actually > finding/growing/studying the > plants. And there is a bit of the same fun mentioned in a recent post > from > Michael Mace, regarding the author. > Amazon has a great price break at the moment on this book ($26.73, > savings of > 41%), and if you wish to order the book from them, please consider > accessing > their website through the NARGS (North American Rock Garden Society) > website > (nargs.org). NARGS now gets a small percentage for purchases at Amazon > when > entered through the NARGS link. This works even for items NARGS doesn't > have a > direct link for, that you must search for when you get to Amazon. And you > don't > need to be a member of NARGS. Perhaps the PBS should look into this > association > as well, but in the mean time another worthy plant society would > appreciate your > support, especially since this costs nothing extra and you still get all > the > normal features that Amazon offers. > > Thanks, > Dave Brastow, looking forward to the 4 days of cold but sunny weather > promised by the weather service. > Tumwater, Washington > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:41:22 +0100 (CET) > From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: <16148418.45752.1295692882726.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h15> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Dave, > I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their > website... > Mark > > > > >> Message du 22/01/11 10:25 >> De : "Laura & Dave" >> A : "Pacific Bulb Society" >> Copie ? : >> Objet : [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service >> >> I just got the book Crocuses: A Complete Guide to the Genus byJanis >> Ruksans >> and Brian Mathew. And my first impression is Wow! Perhaps now I can begin >> to >> make sense of this genus. I haven't had a chance to read much, but it >> seems to >> be full of information from someone who is actually >> finding/growing/studying the >> plants. And there is a bit of the same fun mentioned in a recent post >> from >> Michael Mace, regarding the author. >> Amazon has a great price break at the moment on this book ($26.73, >> savings of >> 41%), and if you wish to order the book from them, please consider >> accessing >> their website through the NARGS (North American Rock Garden Society) >> website >> (nargs.org). NARGS now gets a small percentage for purchases at Amazon >> when >> entered through the NARGS link. This works even for items NARGS doesn't >> have a >> direct link for, that you must search for when you get to Amazon. And you >> don't >> need to be a member of NARGS. Perhaps the PBS should look into this >> association >> as well, but in the mean time another worthy plant society would >> appreciate your >> support, especially since this costs nothing extra and you still get all >> the >> normal features that Amazon offers. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Brastow, looking forward to the 4 days of cold but sunny weather >> promised by the weather service. >> Tumwater, Washington >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:56:48 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: <417809.65530.qm@web86302.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Mark > ? > It appears you have to click on the Amazon advert in the centre on the > first page, when it appears, and then on the bottom of the next page for a > similar advert. But this takes you to the US Amazon which you may prefer > not to use. > Is there a way we can get to our own, Amazon UK in my case, Amazon FR for > Mark,?and still support NARGS? > ? > I forget the proportion of non US membership of NARGS, but if the AGS at > ~30% non UK > membership is anything to go buy this may be a large number of members. > ? > Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8 > > --- On Sat, 22/1/11, Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > > Hello Dave, > I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their > website... > Mark > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:05:39 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: <600329.1604.qm@web86304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > My mistake. The second click is on the Aisles links. I guess it is a > simulated bookshop. > ? > Brian > > --- On Sat, 22/1/11, Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > > Hello Dave, > I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their > website... > Mark > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:17:39 +0100 > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikTWRBFY1KdXUyPpR7-zYKrhJVNs3jHwYQ88RPG@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In France the Crocus book is much more expensive > Acheter neuf: original price EUR 36,17 Amazon price EUR 33,48 = $45,47 > maybe it is cheaper to buy in America and send to France > > Roland > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:30:21 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: <181325.48206.qm@web86306.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > UK price is $33.6., still a bit dearer than US price but better. Depends > on postage/shipping and delivery time. > ? > Brian > > In France the Crocus book is much more expensive > Acheter neuf: original price EUR 36,17? Amazon price EUR 33,48? = $45,47 > maybe it is cheaper to buy in America and send to France > > Roland > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:06:50 +0100 > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikvCsWnDQLbjO-zfEUYh09LqQaDZFt4BJieuy6G@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I tried Amazon Netherlands > you are linked to Amazon.com > with a free shipment > after completing the whole form > ready for payee then they charge you $23 for the post > saying at the end ,just in the US is free > > Roland > > > > 2011/1/22 Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>: >> UK price is $33.6., still a bit dearer than US price but better. Depends >> on postage/shipping and delivery time. > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 96, Issue 25 > *********************************** > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3395 - Release Date: 01/21/11 >