Mark, Thanks so much for your diagnosis and the links to the relevant papers and illustrations. Very much appreciated. Of course I'll happily send you seed - let me have your address privately. To the others who have contacted me requesting seed, I will make a note of the requests but it will be at least six weeks before it is ripe. I have a notoriously goldfish-like brain, so please remind me if nothing has arrived by late October. Best wishes, Tom > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:15:20 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mark McDonough <antennaria@charter.net> > Subject: [pbs] Allium species - ID suggestions? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <7a05f909.12f1c4.1320c061f79.Webtop.45@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no > > > Tom Mitchell <tom@evolution-plants.com> wrote: > >> I've added a couple of images to the Wiki of an Allium species that I >> collected a few years ago in Istria, northern Croatia. >It is >> flowering now in cultivation in the UK. It's an easy, very floriferous >> species, growing to about 20cm in height and >spreads slowly. I should >> have a ton of seed later in the year if anyone is interested and will >> send some to Dell for the BX >anyway. Any suggestions as to the >> species? >> >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > Tom, your lovely allium is A. incensiodorum, a species endemic to > Croatia described in 1989 by Jure Radi?. > > There were a number of studies on the closely related group of > rhizomatous Allium in Europe and Asia over the last 20 years, the most > important being: "Taxonomy, chorology and evolution of Allium > lusitanicum - the European "A. senescens", by Nikolai Friesen & N. > Herrmann, 1998. Basically, this publication demarks the difference > between what is regarded as true A. senescens (a species purely of > Asia), and the European counterparts (previously A. senescens ssp. > montanum, moved to a reinstated older name of A. lusitanicum), and > further delimitation as other species. > > Some links: > Allium incensiodorum published by Jure Radi? in 1989, endemic to > Croatia, fine photo... watch the URL, it may word-wrap. > > http://biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de/bogos/Projekte/… > > "Taxonomy, chorology and evolution of Allium lusitanicum - the European > "A. senescens", by Nikolai Friesen & N. Herrmann, 1998. I have an > original color copy of this document, sorry that this link is to a very > poor quality scanned black & white version: > > http://biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de/bogos/… > > A number of alliums pictured here, I used Google Translate to translate > Danish to English. This is a long URL that'll wrap, copy and paste the > whole thing into your browser: > > http://translate.google.com/translate/… > > And YES Please, I would dearly love to try some seed of this plant from > known provenance, I'll write to you privately about it. > > > Regards, > > Mark McDonough > The Onion man ;-) > in Massachusetts, near the New Hampshire border, > USDA Zone 5 >