>Is it a mistake to germinate them mid-summer? >(will they mature enough to overwinter? or would i bring the pots indoors >and grow under lights?) Dear Dennis, I don't think you have a chance to grow this outdoors where you live, but they make OK potted plants for wintering indoors or a GH. I bet they germinate in a VERY short time if scarified enough to expose the endosperm. Good luck. Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +