I was getting to that conclusion John, Just being cautious as I don't know the distributions for the different species /subspecies. It looks like what I have as Allium senscens montanum, but I think that is from western Europe? and mine has shinier leaves. Peter (UK) On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:17 PM, John Grimshaw <j.grimshaw@virgin.net>wrote: > Surely this is Allium senescens, or a close ally of it > >