Mary Sue et al, thank you for the responses. Mary Sue, yes, I should have added that I'm in Washington, D.C., which right now looks like a giant, melting glacier. So, I guess the idea is to just keep them growing as long as I can, even through a summer dormancy period, and maybe they'll be ready to be planted out into the ground come fall, when the corms are big enough? (sound right?) If so, that doesn't sound too painful. And Jim--as you may have gleaned, I am fast becoming a seed kleptomaniac. And: I am a full-on member of PBS. What is this about a PBS seed exchange?? (As if I haven't participated in enough of them this year). Matt--thank you for the encouragement. If you're interested, I have extra homoglad seeds (Received from the Hardy Plant Society seedex, the donor is Plant Delight Nurseries) if you would like me to send you a few to try. Anne Marie. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:37 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Romulea monadelpha (Michael Mace) 2. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Jim McKenney) 3. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Elizabeth Waterman) 4. Re: Old homestead flower pic (Eugene Zielinski) 5. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Paul Licht) 6. x homoglad (Chaker, Anne-Marie) 7. re Hippy Double Dragon and Zephyranthes K. Jacala Red (Ina) 8. Re: x homoglad (Mary Sue Ittner) 9. Re: x homoglad (Matt Mattus) 10. Re: x homoglad (Pamela Slate) 11. Was: homoglad now pbs growing bulbs from seed (James Waddick) 12. off topic: EPIPHYTES (kevin inkawhich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:34:06 -0800 From: "Michael Mace" <mikemace@att.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Romulea monadelpha To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <00cf01caafff$c985c970$5c915c50$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Max wrote: >> Romulea monadelpha bloomed for me this weekend...it is the first bulb I've ever flowered from seed (from Silverhill, sown 10/07). Congratulations! That's a great feeling of accomplishment, isn't it? >> The pictures of this sp. on the wiki are excellent, so I didn't upload mine, but you can see them here if so inclined They're both excellent pictures. My two cents: The picture of the flower in bud is different enough from the ones on the wiki that I think it's worth posting. I think you can never have too many pictures of the red Romuleas. Mike San Jose, CA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:04:22 -0500 From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc. To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <A568D6724F1B4C048C840AC666FB71E3@Library> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wow, it's a small world, Dennis. Many years ago, when Meadowview was just beginning to expand its reach outside of the immediate Caroline County, Va. area, they started to show up at the twice a year plant sales at Green Spring Park (see below) in Annandale Virginia, about an hour or two north of their home base. For several seasons I bought wonderful pitcher plants from them. Their booth was always surrounded by wide-eyed gardeners making a first acquaintance with these astonishing plants. About their prices: yes, the prices shown are high, but read the fine print: if I?m reading this correctly, if you become a sponsor/member of Meadowview, you get a 50% discount. Since the membership costs only $25, do the math - it's a good deal. I?m glad to see that Meadowview has flourished over the years ? I had lost track of them. The Green Spring phenomenon itself is pretty amazing. The site itself is a small former residence with a garden designed by early twentieth century designer Beatrix Farrand (it was she who designed the garden for Dumbarton Oaks). The Green Spring site has been developed into a suburban show garden, handsomely maintained and of interest all year. There is a plant sale there, typically twice a year, with vendors who sell an amazing range of plants - a range utterly unpredictable from year to year. This plant sale is like nothing else of the type I've ever seen, a bazaar-like mix of amateur and professional growers offering plants from the most mundane to things of extreme rarity. My now fourteen-year-old Welwitschia came from one of the Green Spring sales in 1997 as a one year old seedling. The sales now don't pack quite the wow factor they did in the early years, partly because some of the shakers and movers behind the sales back then have moved on. But they are still something to look forward to. And during the milder parts of the year, the staff runs a small sale of plants propagated from the Green Spring collection. BTW Dennis, when you asked "is it wrong for a vegetarian human to grow carnivorous plants?" I'm inclined to say that it's OK as long as you don't eat them for their dead animal content. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone 7, where the garden is still under a foot and a half of snow. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:44:57 -0800 From: Elizabeth Waterman <lizwat@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc. To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4B7C9B99.2040100@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And there is California Carnivores: http://www.californiacarnivores.com/ Dennis Kramb wrote: > I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on > http://www.pitcherplant.org/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:07:23 -0500 From: "Eugene Zielinski" <eez55@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Old homestead flower pic To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <380-2201024183723484@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello Justin. Your daffodil, with its forward facing tepals, looks like Narcissus pseudonarcissus 'Princeps'. (At least that is how it is identified in Bulbs, by Phillips and Rix. They list N. gayi as a synonym.) This is a fairly common "old homestead" bulb in the Augusta, GA area, and should be coming into bloom now. The tepals on your plant are a bit darker than what I usually see. The cup is yellow while the tepals are pale yellow to cream in color. It is the first trumpet daffodil to bloom here, and for me it is one of the many joys of the southern spring. (If you can find a copy of The Random House Book of Bulbs by Phillips and Rix, by all means get it!) Eugene Zielinski Augusta, GA USA > [Original Message] > From: Justin Smith > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Date: 2/13/2010 9:50:55 PM > Subject: [pbs] Old homestead flower pic > > Hi All, > At the old home place down the road from me, where I found the Gladiolus dalenii that I posted on flickr. I drove by the place a couple of days ago after I got out of the hospital. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/4355303936/ > This is a pic of a daffodil that was blooming at the same place. I know nothing at all about daffodils. There are two other different types of bulbs that were in full growth but not yet blooming. I will go back to the spot every week or so and see if I can find out what else is growing there. > > Justin > Woodville, TX 8b/9a > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:11:27 -0800 From: Paul Licht <plicht@berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc. To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4B7CAFDF.9030500@berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The UC Botanical Garden has a fantastic collection of these on display and we propagate a large variety for sale. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/ On 2/17/2010 5:44 PM, Elizabeth Waterman wrote: > And there is California Carnivores: http://www.californiacarnivores.com/ > > Dennis Kramb wrote: > >> I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on >> http://www.pitcherplant.org/ >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:12:44 -0500 From: "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com> Subject: [pbs] x homoglad To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <CE3A7091AD178E47BE54B56E5BCC7276D432E31085@SBKMXSMB07.win.dowjones.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years to bloom? Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly hard-core group! Best, Anne Marie ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:56:59 +1300 From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> Subject: [pbs] re Hippy Double Dragon and Zephyranthes K. Jacala Red To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4B7CD6AB.1020405@orcon.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is there anyone who has seed of these? I am having no joy here in New Zealand and seed is all I can have. Or have any idea where I am likely to find any? Please Ina __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:03:40 -0800 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <20100218070409.C5EAD4C013@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Dear Anne Marie, I've grown from seed what was supposed to be Gladiolus huttonii and when it bloomed I believed was really a mix of hybrid seed of Gladiolus huttonii with Gladiolus tristis and who knows what generation. Since Gladiolus huttonii was once considered Homoglossum before that genus was sunk into Gladiolus I think this qualifies as a Homoglad. Planted in the late fall they germinated in about a month and bloomed the third spring (March, April). Gladiolus tristis, G. huttonii, and Gladious watsonius are mostly late winter-early spring bloomers in the wild. In fact Gladiolus watsonius is in bloom now. Generally speaking you start seed of winter growers in the fall and summer growers in the spring. With winter growing Irids that form a corm you want them to grow as long as possible before it gets too hot as they generally go dormant then and you have a better chance of getting them to grow the next year if the corm is bigger. Since you have started them now, once they come up try to keep them growing as long as possible and then let them go dormant when the leaves die back and then start watering them in the fall. For pictures of the results, go to this wiki page: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… and look at the examples under: Gladiolus huttonii ? tristis Mike Mace has made a wonderful wiki page with many helpful hints on how to grow bulbs: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… And Nhu has added specific information to the Gladiolus wiki page on growing from seed: "Growing from seeds is not difficult for species in this genus. It is said that South African species require temperature under 20C to germinate successfully but Bill Richardson found that temperature fluctuation from -2C (28F) to nearly 20C (68F) during the day does not have a huge effect on germination. Since there are summer and winter growing species, one must choose the right time for planting. Winter growing species should be planted in the fall. Summer growing species should be sown in the spring, and require somewhat warm temperature to germinate well. Room temperature (25C/77F) works well. Sow the seeds in a well-drained mix and slightly cover with the mix. The papery wings that surround the seeds do not need to be removed. After sowing, place the pots in a tray with water and allow the medium to soak thoroughly. Above watering can dislodge the seeds and cause them to float to the surface. The seeds are most viable when planted within 1 year, although they can remain viable for longer. Allow a dry summer dormancy for the winter growing species and a dry winter dormancy for the summer growing species. It is probably best to not transplant the seedlings until they have completed their second season of growth. " It would be helpful to know where you live. If you live in a cold climate as I suspect there may be others in this group who have better advice. I hope this helps. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:02:11 -0500 From: Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <C7A2A483.36F%mmattus@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Anne Marie, I am a somewhat experienced bulb grower, but only because I joined pbs. Sure, the group sounds informed, and it is, but also the group is very friendly so don't hold back from asking. Even though I grow many of the bulbs discussed here, I too am sometimes a little hessitant to participate in some threads, but once you dive in, it really isn't that scary! Welcome to the group! And for what it's worth, I still need to attempt Glad's and Homoglads from seed, some of us would love to hear about your new exciting venture. Matt Mattus On 2/17/10 11:12 PM, "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because > you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a > seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between > Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring > bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly > difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly > using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know > what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years > to bloom? > Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly > hard-core group! > Best, > Anne Marie > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Pamela Slate <pslate22@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <239444.78722.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 ________________________________ From: Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 6:02:11 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad Hi Anne Marie, I am a somewhat experienced bulb grower, but only because I joined pbs. Sure, the group sounds informed, and it is, but also the group is very friendly so don't hold back from asking. Even though I grow many of the bulbs discussed here, I too am sometimes a little hessitant to participate in some threads, but once you dive in, it really isn't that scary! Welcome to the group! And for what it's worth, I still need to attempt Glad's and Homoglads from seed, some of us would love to hear about your new exciting venture. Matt Mattus On 2/17/10 11:12 PM, "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because > you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a > seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between > Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring > bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly > difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly > using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know > what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years > to bloom? > Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly > hard-core group! > Best, > Anne Marie > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:22:57 -0600 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: [pbs] Was: homoglad now pbs growing bulbs from seed To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p06240832c7a309b0d197@[192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question >because you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received >some seeds (from a seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' >which is a sort of cross between Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum >watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring bulb. Now, I've never >started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly difficult? Dear Anne-Marie, I welcome you to PBS, but you've heard a bit from me lately so I'll keep this short. Growing bulbs from seed can be easy and rewarding or slow and painful. Depends on which bulbs and how challenging various aspect can be in your situation. Glads in general are fairly easy. I've grown dozen of "hardy" glads in a tough climate. More importantly on the very topic of growing bulbs from seeds, go for it. Too few people even try, thinking it might be too difficult and take too long. Many are easy to germinate, easy to grow, and bloom in a couple years from seed like most any perennial and provide you with the joys of accomplishment, lots of new bulbs and much, much more. Some are slower, more difficult and can take years to bloom. Really not that many. Dell Sherk runs the PBS Bulb/Seed Exchange which operates on an 'as available' schedule. If you are a fully paid member of PBS (which you don't need to be if just an email forum member) you can order some amazing seeds and bulbs at a fraction of their commercial costs and some are unavailable at almost any cost. Do join up and fully participate - seed and bulbs season is coming. I know you'll enjoy the group and do not be nervous about any of the experts here, I think all the vicious ones have been turned away and we have the best of the best and most willing to respond. Glad to see you in the group. Most importantly ENJOY Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:36:18 -0800 From: kevin inkawhich <kevin_ink@mac.com> Subject: [pbs] off topic: EPIPHYTES To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <A0B773F3-EB1F-4554-85F1-EC1E2CEA86A2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii good morning, does anyone know off an organization, as cool the pbs, that freely shares information about epiphytes? thanks for your help. On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Paul Licht wrote: > The UC Botanical Garden has a fantastic collection of these on display > and we propagate a large variety for sale. > > Paul Licht, Director > Univ. California Botanical Garden > 200 Centennial Drive > Berkeley, CA 94720 > (510)-643-8999 > http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/ > > > On 2/17/2010 5:44 PM, Elizabeth Waterman wrote: >> And there is California Carnivores: http://www.californiacarnivores.com/ >> >> Dennis Kramb wrote: >> >>> I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on >>> http://www.pitcherplant.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 ***********************************