I *think* I'm remembering correctly that it's been reported on this list that dry seed of F. camschatcensis is dead, period, and not worth sowing. If so, I have to report my experience contradicts this. I have several seed pots that were sown in 11/08 and 12/08, some of seed from my own plants and some NARGS seed (wild-collected F. camschatcensis from Alaska), and they're all germinating like grass now. They've been in a greenhouse which is kept close to freezing in winter, and generally as cool as possible otherwise, so that in a modified way it follows the seasons (it gets converted to a shadehouse in late spring). I know both batches of seed were plenty dry when they were sown, though they were harvested in 2008 (so they weren't all that old). Just thought this might be of interest. Ellen Ellen Hornig Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 County Route 57 Oswego NY 13126 USA http://www.senecahillperennials.com/