Ryan in Portland, Oregon, wrote about late fall flowers (I consider this late fall, because here 1500 feet above Portland I had the first hard frost just last night). In addition to the ubiquitous Cyclamen hederifolium, Ryan could also be growing the late fall flowering C. mirabile, C. cilicicum, and C. graecum outdoors. C. mirabile seems to be susceptible to mold in winter here, though. I'm a big fan of C. graecum and would like to see it grown much more on the Pacific coast; it is more cold-hardy than usually thought. Greek and Aegean populations are more attractive than Turkish ones, I believe, so I bought a lot of seeds of the former a couple of years ago and also was given some, along with beautiful white forms, by John Lonsdale (thank you!). Also tougher than one would expect, though not fall-blooming, is the wild form of C. persicum, which has flowered and self-sown in the unheated frames here, having survived 20 degrees F. I see no reason not to try it (and C. africanum) outdoors when I move next year to a warmer site in the Portland area. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA