> > I've never tried with sarniensis either. I've grown the dwarf species, > like angustifolia, filifolia, and filamentosa from seed, and they are > rather quick -- perhaps 3 years or so. Jim, A quarter of the 20 N. sarniensis bulbs from a 2004 PBS seed distribution.are in bloom now. One bloomed last year. N. bowdenii-seed to first bloom in 5 or 6 years; sent you some years ago. I find that they resent being disturbed.. N. huttoniae-sown in 2003, has not bloomed. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina USA Zone 7b-8