To all, Recently, an interest was expressed in seeing wildflowers in No. Calif. and So. Oregon. Leave it to the Brits. Greentours, A British nature tour company has one, and I am taking it in May for 2 weeks. Greentours has wildflower tours all over the world. I took their tour to Gargano in So. Italy last Spring and we saw over 50 0rhids including 30+ Ophrys(Bee orchids.) Their botanist leader was fantastic. He will lead the No. Cal.-So. Oregon tour. He has done it in the past and he told me of plants I have never seen and I have lived in No Cal. for many years. It is a small group-less than 10. There are two hookers however. It is pricey and limited to members of The Alpine Garden Society. However, AGS membership is inexpensive and worthwhile independent of tours. Greentours internet site is Greentours.co.uk. Maybe I will be seeing you there. Bob Werra ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 74, Issue 20 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Zantedeschia (Alberto Grossi) > 2. Re: Thanks for coming and What shall we do now? (MATT MATTUS) > 3. iris & guest (Dennis Kramb) > 4. Re: iris & guest (Adam Fikso) > 5. Re: iris & guest (Jim McKenney) > 6. Re: iris & guest (Alani Davis) > 7. Re: iris & guest (Jim McKenney) > 8. Re: iris & guest (Alani Davis) > 9. Re: iris & guest (Alani Davis) > 10. Re: iris & guest (Dennis Kramb) > 11. iris & guest (Dennis Kramb) > 12. two more mysteries (Dennis Kramb) > 13. Re: two more mysteries (Jim McKenney) > 14. Re: Thanks for coming and What shall we do now? (Jane McGary) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:39:41 +0100 > From: "Alberto Grossi" <crinum@libero.it> > Subject: [pbs] Zantedeschia > To: "pbs" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <KGPT65$C86338C6F3F1505AB24E3E22223C32CD@libero.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all. Does anyone know a source for Zantedeschia albomaculata, Z. > albomaculata subsp. albomaculata, Z. albomaculata subsp. macrocarpa, Z. > valida, Z. elliottiana? > Thank you > > Alberto > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:14:45 -0500 > From: MATT MATTUS <mmattus@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Thanks for coming and What shall we do now? > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <C5E6EA95.6958%mmattus@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Congratulations Jane on your new role as President, I wish I was able to > attend the cocktail party, Saturday and meet the other members, but I knew > that I still needed to pay membership ( I've been a lurker for years and > paid a few times, but being from the east, it seemed as if I would not get > much...clearly I am wrong! And now, as I am swimming in many South African > bulbs, I will need to share some with the group, so I will join, assuming > I > can join online - will go check now. > > I met a few members at the NARGS meeting, including you Jane, finally, > which > was very nice ( even though you told me that you did not know me), at > least > I am familiar with your name and books, and it was an honor to meet some > other members too. > > Best regards from a New England which is slowly becoming more springlike > and > with a Tropeaeolum azureum in full bloom in the greenhouse.....finally > after > four years of no growth, and with a tag that had read 'T. Tricolor", I am > thrilled. > > Matt > > Matt Mattus > > > > On 3/16/09 5:43 PM, "Jane McGary" <janemcgary@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> I'd like to thank the surprisingly large number of PBS members who >> traveled to the NARGS Western Winter Study Weekend, including some >> such as Dell Sherk who came all the way from the Atlantic states. We >> had a pleasant chat session Saturday evening and enjoyed plenty of >> bulb information in the talks, including a splendid presentation on >> growing bulbs from seed and in containers by Ian Young, and John >> Lonsdale's inspiring and amusing saga of how he became a "proper" >> (outdoor) gardener in America after doing the alpine-house bit in >> England. Both these talks should get a lot more of the audience >> growing their geophytes from seed, although there was some untoward >> laughter when remarks such as "five years from sowing to flowering" were >> heard. >> >> Thank you, too, to the 20 or 30 people who braved the awful weather >> Sunday to drive out to my place and stand in the rain and, briefly, >> hail, to look at the bulbs even though they were a month behind >> schedule. I wish I had had time to visit with everybody at length and >> felt that I was being inconsiderate to almost everyone I started >> talking with, because there was always some organizational matter to >> rush off to, or some urgent question to answer. We do need to get >> together more! >> >> I accepted the position of PBS president with the warning that I >> wouldn't be able to do much until this meeting was over. Now I'm >> going to ask people for input so I can formulate some proposals for >> more activities we could offer our members. One that seems likely is >> small-group tours in different parts of the country, to see bulbs in >> flower in the wild and/or to visit gardens and nurseries with notable >> bulb collections. A couple of people suggested modeling these on the >> outings of the Penstemon Society, in which people car-pool rather >> than trying to hire vans or buses. I think this is the way the SIGNA >> outings for Pacific Coast irises are done also? I suggested northern >> California/southern Oregon as a good place to see lots of wild bulb >> species in spring, although the flowering season is very long because >> of elevational differences. The Central Coast Ranges in California >> might be another good venue, or perhaps the Sierra Nevada foothills >> from the Mother Lode country south. I expect a trillium tour in the >> US Southeast would be fun, too! And if it ever rains again in >> northern Chile, that would be super though rather expensive. >> >> Let's discuss some ideas here, and I'll make up an agenda for >> discussion at our next board meeting. >> >> With best wishes, >> Jane McGary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:39 -0400 > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> > Subject: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, > iris-species@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <49C16ECB.4050101@badbear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > First, forgive this cross post. I am continuing to transplant species > irises from my pond, into a new bed. So many of my pots in my pond have > become jumbled up over the years, some over run with a > grass/sedge/whatever, some died out and are empty. Some seem to have > delightful surprises in them.... and that's where I'm seeking help from > you all. > > This looks like it may be something important. I once had Hymenocallis > in this pot, but never saw it again... and that was YEARS ago. Could > these be Hymenocallis? > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/WTF1.JPG > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/WTF2.JPG (there's 2 of them in this photo) > > This same pot also once held Iris tridentata. I think once I untangle > the root mass away from the grass/sedge/whatever I'll be able to better > guess what it is. > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS1.JPG > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS2.JPG (you can see that mystery > plant on the right side of this photo, the Iris species is on the left) > > > I'll have some more pictures in a bit... of other aquatic/emergent > mystery plants... perhaps severely OT, but oh well. :-) > > I'm really anxious to get that first mystery plant identified. If it's > not Hymenocallis, what could it be? I don't see it growing in any other > pots yet. But I've only been through about 8 and have 20+ more to go ! > > Thanks, > Dennis in Cincinnati where it's 75 degrees out and I got off work at > 3pm, WOO HOO! And I'm covered in pond muck! Ain't life grand? :-) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:11:04 -0500 > From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <681E8F9A98AE411C9D68448DA0BE5CD6@FAMILY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > You may have to wait for flowering to ID them. In the second photo the > two > on the right could be hymenocallis, I think. The 3rd and 4th photos could > be irises. > > Can't be at all sure at this stage of growth. Botany, being the most > sexual of the sciences classifies plants by the size, shape, number and > appearance of the organism's sexual organs. But you knew that, right? > Patience, patience. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Kramb" <dkramb@badbear.com> > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; > <iris-species@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:59 PM > Subject: [pbs] iris & guest > > >> First, forgive this cross post. I am continuing to transplant species >> irises from my pond, into a new bed. So many of my pots in my pond have >> become jumbled up over the years, some over run with a >> grass/sedge/whatever, some died out and are empty. Some seem to have >> delightful surprises in them.... and that's where I'm seeking help from >> you all. >> >> This looks like it may be something important. I once had Hymenocallis >> in this pot, but never saw it again... and that was YEARS ago. Could >> these be Hymenocallis? >> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/WTF1.JPG >> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/WTF2.JPG (there's 2 of them in this >> photo) >> >> This same pot also once held Iris tridentata. I think once I untangle >> the root mass away from the grass/sedge/whatever I'll be able to better >> guess what it is. >> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS1.JPG >> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS2.JPG (you can see that mystery >> plant on the right side of this photo, the Iris species is on the left) >> >> >> I'll have some more pictures in a bit... of other aquatic/emergent >> mystery plants... perhaps severely OT, but oh well. :-) >> >> I'm really anxious to get that first mystery plant identified. If it's >> not Hymenocallis, what could it be? I don't see it growing in any other >> pots yet. But I've only been through about 8 and have 20+ more to go ! >> >> Thanks, >> Dennis in Cincinnati where it's 75 degrees out and I got off work at >> 3pm, WOO HOO! And I'm covered in pond muck! Ain't life grand? :-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <494320.82699.qm@web84305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dennis, I don't recognize your mystery plant #1, but it's not like any > Hymenocallis I've ever grown. > > Any chance it might be a?Pontederia? > > Jim McKenney > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:49:02 -0400 > From: Alani Davis <alanidae@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <c86429480903181549l23879348o258775e4a093e220@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dennis - > > The first photo set is definitely not a Hymenocallis. There would be a > clear bulb with the roots only emerging at the base and the > arrangement of the foliage would be quite different as well and not > whorled. It looks like the early season shoots of a Sagittaria spp. to > me, but not sure which species. I would guess the second mystery is a > sedge, likely Carex sp. but I would need to see closer shots of the > exposed roots, rhizomes and foliage. The Iris look similar this time > of year-but that does look like Iris tridentata! > > Pond muck! so lucky ;) > > Alani Davis > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <536435.8003.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Alani, I thought Sagittaria, too, at first glance. But wouldn't a > Sagittaria have big storage tubers attached at this time of year? > > If the economy gets any worse, this could be important to know - I'm > dusting off my old copy of Euel Gibbons in case I have to go digging duck > potatoes. > > Jim McKenney > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:11:44 -0400 > From: Alani Davis <alanidae@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <c86429480903181611u619d6bbbsbf4605d71eb23a04@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dennis - > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Jim McKenney > <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> wrote: >> Alani, I thought Sagittaria, too, at first glance. But wouldn't a >> Sagittaria have big storage tubers attached at this time of year? >> >> If the economy gets any worse, this could be important to know - I'm >> dusting off my old copy of Euel Gibbons in case I have to go digging duck >> potatoes. >> >> Jim McKenney >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > > > -- > Alani Davis > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:24:25 -0400 > From: Alani Davis <alanidae@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <c86429480903181624y34e8bdb2l3822b29cbbe855ea@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Jim > > The storage roots are generally obvious on S. latifolia though usually > deeper in the soil that the rhizome, but the other species of Sag in > my area (northern Florida) don't produce those tubers. I don't know if > there are other species in Dennis' region, but it reminds me most of > S. lancifolia in my area. I hope it does get so we have to eat those, > but at least they are easy to grow prolifically if we do! They don't > taste great but at least they are not very bad tasting. Better figure > out some sources of decent spices to jazz them up! > > Alani > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:34:28 -0400 > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] iris & guest > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, > iris-species@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <49C19314.7000205@badbear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I teased the roots to free up several of the iris rhizomes and mystery > plant "rhizomes". > > The iris is definitely not tridentata. I'm guessing fulva, now. Those > rhizomes are just classic Louisiana type. > > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS2.JPG > > > Another plant I remember trying in my pond was Helonias bullata, but I > don't think that's it. > > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/WTF3.JPG > > > Thanks for helping me brainstorm! Maybe the new pics will be more > helpful? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:42:43 -0400 > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> > Subject: [pbs] iris & guest > To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <49C19503.6060903@badbear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > that link was supposed to be > > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/IRIS3.JPG > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:44:45 -0400 > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> > Subject: [pbs] two more mysteries > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, > iris-species@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <49C1957D.3090107@badbear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Oh I had another idea on those first mystery plants... could they be > Spiranthes cernua? Whatever they are, they are growing quite happily > just submerged below the pond surface... and spread by stolons, and have > apparently taken residence in 4 or 5 pots... as well as some free > floating fibrous plant "muck". > > Here's another plant... maybe this is Helonias bullata? Or maybe just a > weed? It kinda looks like Manfreda virginica. :-) > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/P3180013.JPG > > And another, obviously aquatic, probably "weed", but it looks cute and I > wonder if someone can recognize it? > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/P3180007.JPG > > Please don't tell me duckweed. LOL. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] two more mysteries > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <994220.56197.qm@web84308.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The first one does look like Hellonias bullata. > > The second one is probably an aquatic Ranunculus. > > > Jim McKenney > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:41:15 -0700 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Thanks for coming and What shall we do now? > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <E1Lk7H0-0000ek-C1@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi, Matt, > > You could have come to the social PBS gathering whether you had paid > dues or not, sorry you did not understand that. > > The Bulb Exchange has many South African items and others suitable > for greenhouse cultivation in your area. > > Of course I know you by name, though not by face, but now I hope I > will recognize the face if we are at the same meeting in the future. > > That's great that you have flowered Tropaeolum azureum. I did not > understand it when I first grew it, and lost it. Then I saw it in the > wild and realized what kind of conditions it wanted. I'll certainly > attempt it again. > > Best regards, > jane McGary > > At 04:14 PM 3/18/2009, you wrote: >>Congratulations Jane on your new role as President, I wish I was able to >>attend the cocktail party, Saturday and meet the other members, but I knew >>that I still needed to pay membership ( I've been a lurker for years and >>paid a few times, but being from the east, it seemed as if I would not get >>much...clearly I am wrong! And now, as I am swimming in many South African >>bulbs, I will need to share some with the group, so I will join, assuming >>I >>can join online - will go check now. >> >>I met a few members at the NARGS meeting, including you Jane, finally, >>which >>was very nice ( even though you told me that you did not know me), at >>least >>I am familiar with your name and books, and it was an honor to meet some >>other members too. >> >>Best regards from a New England which is slowly becoming more springlike >>and >>with a Tropeaeolum azureum in full bloom in the greenhouse.....finally >>after >>four years of no growth, and with a tag that had read 'T. Tricolor", I am >>thrilled. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 74, Issue 20 > *********************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: > 3/18/2009 7:17 AM >
