And Rogers comment is why I have such disdain for the MG programs! He has put it so much more eloquently than I could have. Don't get me started on the Calgary MG program put on by the Calgary Zoo and at the cost of nearly $1000. Rest assured Roger and others from your generation (I'm from that younger generation), there are still some that have an incredible yearning to learn as you did and you have no idea what I would give to mentor under any one of you. And, what I would give to find a friend my age that I could share my passion with. Instead I make do by joining the online groups and learning long distance from all of you. I have since quit all of the local groups as I got so tired and disheartened by having those look down upon me for wanting to start my crocus from seed. I was most definitely born in the wrong era. Off to plant some more seed and wondering what species I should try next! Linda Foulis Red Deer, AB Canada Zone 3 Maybe it will be dry enough tomorrow to move some plants but not dry enough to dig up sod, oh well.