I think Jane McGary's suggestion is an excellent one. This coming Sunday, 22 February 2009, there is a meeting of the Watnong Chapter of the North American Rock Garden Society. It will be at the Frelinghuysen Arboretum, Morristown, NJ. Speaker is Jody Payne, curator of the New York Botanical Garden's rock garden. Meeting starts at 10:00 a.m. Guests welcome. Anyone who wants more information can e-mail me for details. Judy in sunny, part cloudy New jersey