In a message dated 18/10/2008 20:18:21 GMT Daylight Time, totototo@telus.net writes: Tropaeolum ciliatum hardy here Major drawback: yellow flowers are almost insignificant Hardy here in SE UK, the five fingered pale green leaves produce a very graceful 6ft high back drop almost like a waterfall in a shady corner. I_t_ (file://\\t.com/) is a bit invasive but dead easy to tear down. Paul Oliver-Smith Kent UK Where we are having a few sunny days and the autumn leaves are falling.