> >I have no idea how these behave in other climates, but under my > >conditions many bulbs, and these two in particular, need to mature into > >drought. > > I also have not been able to keep Ixiollirion in the garden. I thought > perhaps it was winter wet that did it in, since I had it in a section that > is not watered in summer, when it rarely rains here Jim's advice about maturing into drought (basically dry a month before the foliage dies down) rings true for me. I have had a tough time believing in such drought being good. I think I still overwater most all bulbs that like (OK, NEED) a dry dormancy. ( Often, loving them to death with water.) I'm not sure how much drier Jane's springs are than mine (I'm around 100 miles south of her)? My guess is we usually get too much spring rain for the semi early blooming Ixiolirion. Growing among grasses and other plants that suck up the spring moisture as soon as it falls might help? Saturday, I saw great Ixiolirion blooming in pots at the Farmers market in eugene. These were grown by Lou of the "Buggy Crazy" booth. He grows many natives and the biggest lilium bulbs I have ever seen (soccer ball wide). I think his farm is near Sweethome, OR. He grows things much drier than i do. He claims he does not water any of his lilys. I'm trying to be more like him every year. He does dig his Ixiolirion every year. My guess is he grows em in pots and dumps the pots every summer or fall. I need to go see his place sometime and try and see how dry I should be :-). At least some of his plants are sold online by someone. I recently saw his business listed in an article as a source. It may have been in the PBS newsletter or NARGS. Kelly O'Neill Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween): 2877 N 19th Street Springfield, Oregon 97477 gardens@wetrock.com http://www.wetrock.com/