I've added the pictures Cameron sent me to the wiki of the white flowered plants that he and John Grimshaw have been discussing: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Cameron labeled them Massonia echinata. So does that mean that you don't think this is a new species even though it is summer blooming? Is here any consensus about the pink one from Rogan. Shall we call it sp. nova and move it do the Massonia wiki page? Mary Sue