Hello all- I'm new to this list and have not yet explored the archives thoroughly so if I'm asking for info already posted, please forgive my impatience to learn... I do not grow many Iris other than Siberians and Reticulatas and I. unguicularis (spelling ?) - oh, and some Tall Bearded that came w/ our property- and thus I've no experience w/ Aril and Onco Iris but have thought perhaps I'd one day try them. Now that I've read Rick's post (below) I've decided not to risk the 'wet dishrag' - sigh- is there a sort that would do well w/out special care in my climate? Which is wet winter/ dry summer, Zone 8, sun/shade. And to introduce myself a bit: East Coast transplant here for 17 years with a main passion for Narcissus species and hybrids and a love for bulbs in general. No professional horticultural or botanical training although my love of plants did take me into part-time work in a specialty nursery where the emphasis is on perennials/shrubs/ vines. 99% of our plants are propagated by ourselves and after 5 years I've absorbed quite a bit of hands-on experience of the nursery business. The bulbs we sell are not unusual. One owner grows special things for his own enjoyment and of course I egg him on...mainly by sowing all the seeds from all the bulbs. My own garden has suffered sadly in the past year from neglect caused by a long bout of tendinitis. I find container growing easier but will not give up on planting Narcissus in the ground. I began making hybrid Narcissus crosses about 5 yrs ago. I love all the species and have planted J&J seeds several times. I wonder why it is that species bulbs are not made more available to the gardening public- perhaps one of you has the answer! (I do not mean wild collected; I mean garden/nursery grown) End of my short bio-- Nancy Ellis ---summer watering is just not on my chore list but if the plant demands it, I'll consider it.... Willamette Valley Dayton, Oregon On 28 Apr 08, at 9:21 AM, Clayton3120 wrote: LOL, Like you said, location, location, location. Arums in my garden(Seattle) have become a weed, even the selected forms people pay big $$$$ for. They apparently like our wet climate with dry summers. As for Aril and Onco Iris, they look like a wet dishrag going thru winter, and barely survive. It just gets too wet here. My greenhouse and tunnels are overflowing with other goodies to be coddling these spring flash-in- the pan beauties, so will admire the photos you all send in. Happy Spring. Rick -