John Grimshaw wrote: Here at Colesbourne Leucojum vernum flourishes in shallow dry soil under deciduous and coniferous trees where the soil dries out completely in summer ========================== John, Do you think these plants have seeded themselves under the trees and only the ones that could thrive in dry conditions remain? Or perhaps they were originally planted there and watered heavily to become established? Or have their bulbs pulled themselves down really deep? (though you say the soil is shallow, so that can't be the answer.) I would like to be able to grow them. In addition to their visual appeal, they are beautifully scented. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers