Dear all; I find Tony's remarks very enlightening and frustrating. Rather arrogant comments : ' the Dutch' "select against winter hardiness" and " why would people want glads to be winter hardy?" As a gardener who demands hardiness in as many plants as possible, I have grown all the hardiest glads I can find. I have grown all the byzantinus/ itlaicus/ communis group, Xgandavensis /dalenii and a few others (though oddly not G. palustris) and I would WELCOME a greater range of colors and forms.,, and increasaed hardiness, too. Although I disdain the big Dutch hybrids, I have grown a few and they will last a mild winter or two. I sure wouldn't use these to select for increased hardiness. And by hardiness I mean Zone 5 or 6 survival. Joyce and Brent your Zone 7 seems a no brainer for many glads or am I totally off base here? I know there are not many Zone 5 or 6 - ers on this list, but have any of them grown many from seed to test for hardiness? And Tony, you didn't say what your response was to your Dutch bulb growing guides when he made his un-Glad remarks. These remarks just drive me nuts ! Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +