Tony Avent wrote: as we say in the south, butt ugly. ===================== Aw, cmon Tony. You're not into subtle? It's colours are surely as good as a lot of Arisaemas, though it does lack the elegant shape. However, I want the bright red and yellow one that I saw on a slide - whose? Was it Cameron McMaster's? Silverhill apparently sometimes has seeds of that one and I'm ready to pounce. Diane Whitehead