On 23 Mar 07, at 16:04, Jim McKenney wrote: > Several old cultivars which I have never seen such as Margot, Haarlem > Gem, and Maximilian might have been similar to my plant. Haarlem Gem is very similar in coloring to Vanguard, but considerably smaller; more the size of a chrysanthus cultivar than one of the big blowsy vernus ones. I've had it for years, and believe what I have is The Real Thing. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island