You can definitely include me in the "needing all three" camp. I believe you mentioned that Lysichiton grows well in the middle of streams, Jim. My admittedly limited observations have led me to wonder whether it favors stagnant water. Any comments? Russell Jim Waddick wrote: And some folks NEED all three. Russell Stafford Odyssey Bulbs PO Box 382 South Lancaster, MA 01561 508-335-8106