Hello, I have been a fan of Ledebouria & Drimiopsis for a while now. Besides those, I am also highly interested in other non-hardy members of the family(Dipcadi, Eucomis, Massonia, Lachenalia, Resnova), and the European-Central Asian members of the family (Muscari, Bellevalia, Hyacinthella, etc). I have collected what literature is 'readily' available. And, with all my reading, I am only more confused as to what species I grow. Venters thesis may be on its way eventually and until then I suppose I'll remain confused. Most of my Ledebouria came as aff. or sp., and of course socialis. At; http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/Lachenalia/… you see great pics of Ledebouria and several very different socialis 'type' plants. Macowanii is supposed to be similar to socialis but I need a good line-drawing (or photo) of a plant to see how similar or different they are. Epigeal vs hypogeal bulbs is supposed to be a factor involved, but I have some socialis that do both, and are otherwise inseparable. Species I know I have are: cooperi, crispa, floribunda, graminifolia(? graminea), hypoxoides, minima, sp "Gary Hammer'(also a floribunda?), and coriacea. Among the many possible ones are (all affinities); luteola, macowanii, ovalifolia, revoluta, and zebrina. The other half dozen are all sp's but definately not socialis. The leaves on some are spectacular. The Drimiopsis are very hard to come by. Does anyone grow any species besides maculata or kirkii/boytroides? I know at least one person who offers a few rare ones now and again. I have three clones of maculata and get a good seed set every summer. I still have not got Resnova, and no one in the US offers it from what I have seen. I am interest in trading for other species of Ledebouria and other Hyacinthaceae for that matter. Right now though my interest is in Ledebouria and acquiring some other Drimiopsis species. All the best, Aaron Floden Manhattan, KS Z5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com/