Hi, When we started this list we set it up with this definition: "Although bulbs (defined more broadly to include all geophytes) are the focus, we recognize that people who grow them probably grow other things too and will be talking about them from time to time. " Although Rodger gives me more power than I actually have since I can't really control what people do as is demonstrated by all the people who continue to include the whole message they are responding to in their reply, I've always thought being inclusive was better than endless debates about what qualified for discussion. So there are some things discussed on this list and even illustrated on the wiki that others think don't belong. It can be a fine line sometimes. Most of the time we stay close to the topic and when we veer off, it's usually not for long. The delete key is always available and if people are good about clearly identifying their subject then others will know when there is a topic they won't be interested in. Jim McKenney delights in broadening the discussion, but when someone objected on the list, others came to his defense. They were even interested in his recipes. So it appears that people on this list prefer some flexibility in what we discuss. Mary Sue