Moraea pendula and M. reflexa aren't in Goldblatt's Moraea book because they used to be in the genus Homeria, which has for the most part now been subsumed into Moraea. I have LOTS of bulb books, including the Moraea book and several others of Goldblatt's, and I too had a very difficult time finding any information about this plant. Dr. Goldblatt told me that M. pendula wasn't in the Cape books because it grows just outside of the Cape, in the Kamiesberg area of Namaqualand. If anyone knows where there is a new list I'd like to know too. robertwerra@pacific.net wrote: Regarding the tall yellow moraea, I grow M. bellendini and it doesn't have reflexed petals. I have never heard of Moraea pendula or M.reflexa and they are not in Goldblatt's "Moraeas of South Africa." I realize alot of other former genera have been lumped into "Moraea" and new moraea species have been discovered, but I wonder where one can find a current list, etc. of all the moraeas. Anyone knows? I would appreciate the info. Thanks. Bob Werra in finally sunny northen Calif. where my Moraea angusta is closing my moraea season with its wonderful evening performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: <mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia (Max Withers) > 2. Using the Wiki (Mary Sue Ittner) > 3. Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) (Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV) > 4. Re: Triteleia (Robert Hamilton) > 5. Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, and > Well-drained (totototo@telus.net) > 6. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen (Lee Poulsen) > 7. New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia grandiflora > howellii (totototo@telus.net) > 8. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Mary Sue Ittner) > 9. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Doug Westfall) > 10. Fwd: Worsleya Cosh clones to USA (Lee Poulsen) > 11. Moraea bellendenii? (Diane Whitehead) > 12. Re: Moraea bellendenii? (Marilyn Pekasky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:53:41 -0700 > From: Max Withers > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <44734C25.7050300@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > With a good deal of help from Mary Sue, I've made my first contributions > to the wiki: > two forms of Calochortus superbus and one of C. venustus. > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > I also added a better shot of Tulipa linifolia: > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > I imagine I'll have to dig these tulips up and keep them in the 'fridge > (freezer?) for my wet Zone 9 winters. Is there a standard source of > information on this practice? > > PS: The resolution on these is a little higher than recommended, but the > file sizes are under 100k, and I wanted to err on the side of detail. > > Max Withers > Oakland > 31" and counting > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:33:07 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Using the Wiki > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523105905.03342fb0@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > We are pleased to have all the recent activity on the wiki. Giorgio has > continued to add a lot of wonderful Aroid pictures. Our Arisaema wiki page > continues to grow and we now have so many different species illustrated and > he is adding other Aroids too. Rodger Whitlock has added some very > interesting text and a lot of additional reference books on bulbs to our > Reference wiki page. Reading some of his comments since he gives his frank > opinions makes me smile. Jay Yourch has been adding to the Crinum pages > including many new hybrids and some wild species photographed in South > Africa by Cameron McMaster. We haven't quite had time to complete the Iris > page divisions, but will do so as we have time and are grateful to Jim > McKenney's new additions and are happy to welcome Max Withers as a new wiki > contributor. The more who contribute the more there is to share with all > those people who are eager to learn more. > > Susan and I put in a lot of time almost every day on the wiki and this is a > heartfelt plea to please follow the instructions about using the wiki. When > we ask you to name the files a certain way it is so we can keep track of > them and when we ask you to resize them a certain way it is so people with > dial up connections and small screens can easily see them. If you follow > your own rules instead of ours it just means that we have to change what > you have done and that takes us time we could spend on something more > useful. I know that more and more people have high speed connections and > new computers and it is tempting to be able to send pictures that can be > seen to their best advantage so I understand the desire to do that. Please > just keep in mind that not everyone is equally fortunate in what they have. > > I'm repeating these instructions from the upload file page : > Every image file of a plant should include the full genus name with the > first letter capitalized followed by an underscore and then the species > name in lower case, followed by a period and the file extension. Be sure > there are no spaces in your file name, no strange punctuation marks or > extra periods and to include the file extension (.jpg or .png). Because > image files on the wiki must be uniquely named, we prefer that you append > the name of your image with a number or your initials or a > location. Example: Brodiaea_elegans_JD.jpg This would be a way to name > John Doe's image of Brodiaea elegans. We used to be more permissive about > how you named your files, but as our list of wiki images gets longer and > longer it is difficult to keep them sorted when there are multiple ways of > writing them. Sorting when some have a hyphen, some have an underscore, > some have partial names, some have names that are written together does not > put the same species together. > > Please try to keep your file size under 100 KB and the dpi (dots per inch) > resolution no more than 72 dpi. The picture should not be so large it > cannot be viewed on most screens without scrolling. This depends on the > picture, but a pixel guide is a maximum of 600 pixels wide. Height should > be no more than about 500 pixels. Some software programs have a 'save for > web' option which allows for quick downloading. > > We sometimes don't take the trouble to change files that are a little out > of these requirements, especially when we are extremely busy. But when the > pixel size is way too large we either resize them or ask the person to > resize a picture following the guidelines and add it again. Both make extra > work for us. > > Thanks so much to all of you for your cooperation in this. > > Mary Sue > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:18:44 +0200 > From: "Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV" > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) > To: > Message-ID: <000e01c67ea6$1b344880$6964a8c0@BOLTHA.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mary Sue, > Beautiful pictures you have taken. > Especialy the forms of Triteleia grandiflora ssp. Howellii, Triteleia > Hendersonii, Triteleia_lilacina, and Triteleia_montana. I don't think T. > Tiger, named by The Robinetts, is an Ixioidis Form, because it has no > offsets( The T. Ixiodis have ) it is blooming earlier than all the > T.Ixioidis forms, and I didn't succeed to make crossings with it with the > T.Ixioidis forms. > Best regards. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:01:45 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060512180754.01d65738@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I've added a lot of pictures to the Triteleia wiki page. Some of you may > remember that I've been trying to understand, grow, and/or see in the wild > many of our native Triteleias. It is a genus I love and at the moment it is > blooming away in my garden. Three cheers for it! > > Recently we took a few days to view some of the Northern California > wildflowers and saw some wonderful displays of flowers. Diana Chapman has > raved about Table Mountain near Oroville for a number of years and we > finally made it. The day we spent there will be etched in my memory > somewhat like the day we saw Romulea sabulosa near Nieuwoudtville in a wet > year. It was one of the more beautiful displays of wildflower I have seen. > This year late rains meant there were annuals and bulbs blooming together. > Table Mountain is flat as you might expect from the name and the soils are > thin so that there isn't a lot of competition from trees or shrubs. There > were masses of different colors of low blooming flowers. > > We also went to Bidwell Park in Chico at Diana's suggestion and saw a lot > of nice native bulbs there and also nice displays of flowers in the Vina > Plains, a Nature Conservancy preserve we just viewed from the road. I'll be > adding pictures to the wiki probably slowly of some of the bulbs we saw in > habitat. This is the first lot, the Triteleias. While I was at it I added > pictures I hadn't gotten around to adding before, took off some older > pictures that I thought I could improve on and added some new ones, > including of some things blooming at the moment. > > The changes are a lot to announce so maybe those interested should just > look at the whole page. > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > Triteleia bridgesii - new habitat picture from Bidwell, better picture of > garden plants, corms > > Triteleia dudleyi - this one I didn't realize I never added to the wiki. > It's found at high elevations, but I still am able to flower it so it > obviously adapts even without winter cold. > > Triteleia hendersonii - this is getting more and more flowers every year so > I replaced pictures to show this. I have some growing in a large pot in my > raised bed with a Brunsvigia that has never bloomed. I didn't purposely do > this, nor did I plant that Cyclamen coum that appeared as well. The later > blooms for months in that same pot and then the Triteleia when the leaves > of the others have disappeared. This Trit is fabulous. > > Triteleia hycinthina - improved pictures and pictures of corms > > Triteleia ixioides scabra - corms > > Triteleia ixioides Tiger from the Robinetts was supposedly grown from seed > collected at Table Mountain so I added a picture of one taken there. My > field guide called it T. ixioides ssp. unifolia, but that name wasn't > recognized in Jepson as a separate species. > > Triteleia laxa -- We saw a white one in Bidwell park which is very > unusual and a wonderful display being pollinated by black Pipevine > Swallowtails near Vina. Also a picture of the corms I think of Queen > Fabiola. I didn't make a note of which form. It's one of those laxas that > multiplies vegetatively in huge numbers every year. > > Triteleia lilacina - Another favorite of mine with the sparkly center. This > one we saw in Bidwell and on Table Mountain so have added pictures taken > each place (one with a pollinator) and a picture of the corms which are > more fibrous than most. > > Triteleia montana- Better picture and added a picture of the corms > > Triteleia peduncularis- Picture of the corms. The one I grow produces a lot > of small sized cormlets that take a few years to bloom. > > Mary Sue > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 > *********************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:57:30 +1000 > From: Robert Hamilton > Subject: Re: [pbs] Triteleia > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <7c91d5dbadac47d4c939ef9af3bebb9a@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > Hi all, > > I took advantage of the seedex offering of Brodiaea and Triteleia > seed from the Robinetts earlier this year. Getting the seed in our > summer allowed me to sow fairly soon after it arrived. > > To this time 12 of 15 seed lots have germinated including two which > were stored from 1994. The quantities of seed were very generous > , but not expecting much germination I sowed into small pots (and > directly to garden in 3 cases). Triteleia lilacina in particular has > had mass germination and its pot looks like a small hedgehog! > > Cheers, > > Rob in Tasmania where its 7.00am and -1C outside ! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:33 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, > and Well-drained > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523223326.99F4DWMQ4D@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I was browsing through the wiki and looked at the Erythronium page to > see what it had to say about the species I'm familiar with. The > comment was made about Erythronium revolutum that it likes damp, well- > drained conditions. > > My own experience with this plant is that it likes to grow within > sound of running water. In other words, it grows near streams. I've > seen it thriving along Sutton Creek in sites that are clearly flooded > during winter high-water. > > "Damp" and "well-drained" in the same breath may seem like an > oxymoron, but the point it that while E.r. wants moisture, it doesn't > want *stagnant* moisture. It's a streamside plant, not a lakeside or > swamp/marsh/bog plant. > > At the same time, it takes fairly well to summer drought, as long as > it doesn't get a baking in the sun like a Central Asian tulip. The > same sites on Sutton Creek don't perhaps get as dry as does my > garden, but plants collected there (well upstream from the BC govt > ecological reserve!) have continued to thrive in the garden with > little or no summer water. I will admit that the garden plants are > not as robust in growth as they were in the wild. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:48 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Paul, > > I would have offered you some pollen, but I don't think mine are going > to bloom this year. We had the weirdest spring I've ever experienced > here in the last 15 years. I think the Paramongaias didn't like it one > bit and so are boycotting this year's blooming season. From now on, I'm > going to save some in the freezer just for cases like yours. (I suspect > Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine > outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). If > you have any spare pollen after everyone else's requests, I'd like to > get some too. The one thing I've never been able to do is get seeds set > and I suspect that mine all originate from the same clone as well even > though I did get them from two different sources, both here in So. > Calif. > > Hope all is well with you and your family, and that your workload > allows you to relax every once in a while. > --Lee > > On May 19, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Dr Paul Chapman wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Although I have been a member of this list almost since the beginning, > > most > > of you have probably never heard of me. Unfortunately my workload is > > such > > that, though I try to read all of the postings, sometimes it is several > > months after they were sent (I currently have 646 to read!). > > > > However, something is about to happen that I must report, and ask for > > your > > assistance. My Paramongaia weberbauerii is about to flower. Living > > in the > > UK, I grow it on a winter dormant cycle - it spends the British winter > > dormant in the clothes cupboard, simulating the Peruvian summer, and > > the > > British summer growing in my greenhouse, simulating the Peruvian > > winter! > > > > I was given the bulb on New Year's Day 2001 by Harry Hay, and it has > > flowered once before, either 3 or 4 years ago, I cannot remember. It > > is an > > offset from the clone from which Paramongaia was originally described, > > I > > believe in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. > > > > When it flowered previously, I tried to self-pollinate it, but no > > seeds were > > set. I suspect it is self incompatible. Does anyone have any pollen > > of > > Paramongaia from a different clone, that might enable my plant to > > produce > > seeds? I would of course share any seeds produced with the pollen > > donor. > > > > If there is no-one with Paramongaia pollen, I would be happy to try > > pollen > > from Pamianthe, its nearest relative - who knows what might result? > > > > There is no problem in sending pollen to the UK, and I expect the > > flower to > > open in 5 - 7 days' time. If anyone is able to help, please reply > > off-list. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK > > South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more > > rain > > in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. > > mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:44:47 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia > grandiflora howellii > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523224140.9CNUPGBN15@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I have added new images to the wiki of _Tulipa sprengeri_ and > _Triteleia grandiflora howellii_ with a few remarks. Unlike my first > attempt last week, these images have indeed been properly hooked up > to the relevant page. > > There is some temporary difficulty with the image at > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ > Triteleia_grandiflora_howelli_RW_1.jpg > > but as soon as Mary Sue or Susan can get a chance, this mixup should > be straightened out toot sweet. > > > > The new images of Sprenger's tulip capture the flower's glowing > color. The image previously uploaded did not do so, though it gave > some idea of how this tulip fits into the garden picture. > > The secret to capturing this tulip's color more or less realistically > was to reduce the saturation on my little Sony digital camera, plus > photographing it in full sun. Flower colors can be notoriously > difficult to capture with any faithfulness, so this may be a useful > formula for other PBS list subscribers having color troubles to use. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:13:50 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society === message truncated ===