>Dell wrote > >- that soil is > >"bad" or that peat is "bad." I learned in my soil science class that soil > >has a mineral component and an organic component. Also, I learned that > >organic matter is broken down by chemical and biological agents Any living soil--ie, one that supports plants, is also composed of water and air. And, note that the organic component is composed in large part of the bodies of micro-organisms, bugs, worms, etc, living and dead. The soils used for testing is soils science classes are dried out, the microorganisms long since dead, no earthworms, burrowing beetles, etc. Not really representative of a "living" soil. > In the long run, then, peat becomes silt and is essentially no > >longer "organic." Organic is not quite synonymous with carbonaceous, but the distinction is small. The size of the peat particle does not determine its' ability to function. And, the breakdown of peat is mostly done by microorganisms, which die and contribute their bodies to the organic matter in the soil. The organic matter is still there-in a different form. >With geophytes that we grow in the same pot for years, > >what are the implications? > It is often recommended that certain bulbs be allowed to become "potbound"--ie amaryllis (Hippeastrum). Such pots when finally unpotted are found to consist primarily of roots, living and dead. How is such a plant getting water, nutrients? Is this the only or best way to accomplish what is needed? and Jane wrote: > Also, a geologist friend warned me that combining peat with pumice >would cause the pumice to break down faster. I use peat only in seed >starting mix. > Peat, being acidic, does cause the breakdown of mineral matter but the effect is limited and slow, as the acid is rather limited, particularly in the amount found in a normal potting mix. I use (1/2 and 1/2) pumice and peat in growing rhododendrons and have not noticed any effect--but of course I only leave seedlings or cuttings in flats for a couple years. One thing worth mentioning, where peat has been used, oxalis often appears as a weed, the seed presumably being able to survive being submerged with the peat, for a very long time. >Warnings against using "soil" may reflect an awareness that garden soils >vary greatly from place to place, and some may be composed of too many >fines to be healthy for potted bulbs. Warnings against using soil are blindly copied from the nursery industry, and should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Imagine what it is like for the operator of a nursery growing a hundred acres of two gallon pot plants--He must fill many thousands of gallons of pots, every two years on average. The amount of soil needed is staggering--as a rough approximation, assume that the soil needed would cover the hundred acres about six inches deep. (Since the pots do not cover all the soil surface). In that quantity, the soil would vary enormously--some good topsoil, but lots of clay and rock subsoil. A nursery needs to water and fertilize uniformly, and that just isn't possible if the soil texture varies. Weeds you've never seen before will appear. Micro-organisms, some harmful, will also appear, though you may not realize where they came from. These things cost money to control. If you've ever tried to grow something in a pot of pure soil, you've already found out that it drains poorly, roots rot off, and plants simply grow poorly. Then, when the crop is finally ready to market, the plants have to be shipped. If you can ship ten thousand plants in a light potting mix for the same weight-(equals price) , as half that many plants growing in pure dirt, what would you do? Finally, many states, including Oregon, and many countries, have laws against "mining" a property for potting soil. I visited one nursery site in Portland where the soil had been dug down twenty seven feet below the surrounding properties. Imagine how the neighbors feel, watching their property slowly erode onto a neighboring nursery. >Or it may reflect the belief that >potting soil should be "sterile," which I think is nonsense; as soon as the >"sterilized" components get into the pot and out in the air, they will be >quickly colonized by microorganisms, unless they're in a totally controlled >laboratory setting. And usually, the microorganisms that colonize are more virulent than they would have been if "good" microorganisms were also present, but the "good" microorganisms are generally slower to recolonize than the pathogenic organisms. This is the great failing of soil fumigation. In the end, it may be easier to understand if you substitute "organic matter" for peat, and consider the functions that peat/organic matter serves in the mix. Organic matter separates the mineral particles, allowing air and water to penetrate the mix--and both are necessary components of any living soil. Organic matter retains moisture, which otherwise would rather quickly drain through mineral soil. Organic matter absorbs minerals needed by plants, then releases them slowly as the plant roots can absorb them. Peat has a very high ability to absorb moisture, has an extremely high CEC-Cation Exchange Capacity, or ability to absorb minerals, and has at least some anti-fungicidal properties, which makes it a very good material to use--and, it is usually relatively economical to purchase--but it is not the only possible material. Dirt/soil/loam serves as a source of minerals. It is seldom used in the potting mixes currently used in the nursery industry--not because it isn't valuable and serves a function, but because it simply isn't available in large enough quantities in a standard quality, a reasonable price, and a low enough weight to allow economical shipping. Most potting mixes also include a material that is porous enough to allow air to be retained in the mix even if it is watered by overhead sprinklers every day--which causes soil compaction. The potting mix that works for you will not work for someone in a different climate, who waters differently, who grows different plants, who never fertilizes or fertilizes regularly, etc, etc. In fact the mix that works for you may not work for your next door neighbor. What you have to do is learn to "see" how your plants are growing, and what they should look like at particular times of the growing seasons. Do they have few or no roots when they are growing leaves vigorously? Do they normally have no living roots when they are dormant, or are the roots rotting off during dormancy? Is there not enough drainage, not enough porosity in the potting mix, should the pot be tipped on its side during dormancy, etc. Ken