Hi all, When I started this list a number of years ago I wrote on our list page: "Although bulbs (defined more broadly to include all geophytes) are the focus, we recognize that people who grow them probably grow other things too and will be talking about them from time to time. " I was trying to be inclusive, not exclusive. And judging from the topics that get a lot of responses, many of them are off topic completely and people want to discuss them. Herding cats is impossible so most of the time I don't even try. (As you have noticed some people continue to include the whole previous message when they respond even when I've written them privately.) Once you become a community of sorts you are going to share information that you think others would want to have. What gives me pride about the pbs list is that responses are friendly and people are respectful of all the levels of expertise that exists in this list. As for what goes on the wiki, we allow some leeway there too for genera like Scoliopus. We include some things that are evergreen and never stop growing and therefore are not really geophytes, some things that have bulbs above the ground, and even my Delphiniums which fit a definition of geophyte that I liked, "something that you can put in an envelope and send when it is dormant." I got outvoted on keeping Jim McKenney's snakes, but we allow some short term visitors to the wiki even though we don't encourage this as it makes more work for administrators. An example of that is our desert page which I'll probably remove next week. One important criteria for making it to the wiki is that someone cares enough about that plant or subject to do the work to get the picture or information there. I didn't mean to get everyone all stirred up again about what is and is not allowed to be discussed or added to the wiki. I just thought some of you might be interested in what Scoliopus bigelovii and Canarina canariensis look like when they are dormant. There has been no response to that at all, not even privately. I am always dumping out a pot and thinking, now what in the world is that, so I welcome pictures on the wiki or our bulbs, rhizomes, tubers, tuberous roots, etc. when the plant is dormant. Seed pods are good too since it seems that this is becoming more important in plant identification. Mary Sue