Dear John; Without a plant in hand, but notes and memory (always questionable) I am very intrigued by your reply. The plants in questions have been in this garden for at least 20 years and maybe 40 or 50. They are very distinct and their large size and grey foliage seems an easy id. I was fairly certain they had to be G. elwesii as much from illustrations as from a later review of books. It seems to fit your description of 'really big' G. gracile. I checked out descriptions of 'Dorothy Lucking' ('Cassaba'), but could not find 'Daglingworth', Nor 'Colesbourne', but 'Carolyn Elwes' has yellow markings. It doesn't really seem to fit well anywhere. I did not notice flaring segments, but I hope to get back to the garden and perhaps dig a few bulbs from the 92 year old gardener. Unfortunately it is difficult to get info on this plant except by visiting. Thanks and stay tuned. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +