>From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
>Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: RE: [pbs] Ipheion, Tristagma, Nothoscordum again
>Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:07:25 -0800
>
>Hi,
>
>I've been working on making the changes for these wiki pages to indicate
>the taxonomic confusion and have a couple more questions before I finish.
>Adding the synonyms for each species is mind boggling. A case in point is
>Tristagma bivalve. I wrote earlier about what I found on it in IPNI and
>I'll copy this:
>This appears to be the original name:
>
>followed
>Liliaceae Ipheion bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub
>in Plant Life, ix. 69 (1953).
>
>and
>Alliaceae Tristagma bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub
>Pl. Life 19: 61. 1963>Alliaceae/liliaceae Triteleia bivalvis Lindl.
>
>I found an article written in the 1993 Herbertia by Thad Howard where he
>was discussing the Nothoscordums in cultivation. In it he discusses a plant
>by the name of Nothoscordum bivalve (L.) Britton (syn. N. striatum [Jacq.]
>Kunth which he says is native to both North and South America. In North
>America it is found in the southeastern and southwestern states and Mexico
>and in South America in Argentina and Uruguay. This plant is also described
>in Bulbs of North America.
From IPNI there are two listings:
>Alliaceae Nothoscordum bivalve Britton
>
>with original data notes of Ornithogalum bivalve on one and = striatum on
>the other. Ornithogalum?
>
>Looking up N. striatum I get this:
>Alliaceae Nothoscordum striatum Kunth
>Enum. Pl. iv. 459.
>
>Under original data notes: Notes: Am. bor.; Mexic
>
>I'm sure I've lost most of this group by now, but can anyone tell me if
>Nothoscordum bivalve is a different plant from Tristagma bivalve (syn.
>Ipheion bivalve). And if so can one of our South American members give me
>some information about where Tristagma bivalve is found. Alberto has kindly
>given me some information about growing it that I can add to our wiki page.
>
>I used to think that using botanical names made it easier for us to
>communicate and be sure we were talking about the same plant.
>
>Thanks for any help on this one and thanks Alberto for responding to my
>earlier request.
>
>Mary Sue
Dear Mary Sue:
In Nothoscordum you find
Nothoscordum felipponei (Ipheion sellowianum)
Nothoscordum hirtellum (Ipheion hirtellum)
Nothoscordum osteni
Nothoscordum vittatum (Ipheion vittatum)
Nothoscordum bivalve (L.) Britton supposedly the same species in Texas and
in Argentina
Nothoscordum fragrans (N. inodorum, the frightful weed), N. gracile
Nothoscordum montevidense
Nothoscordum bonariense
and scores of others less known. Some interesting images in John Lonsdale
site.
In Ipheion you find
Ipheion uniflorum, several cultivars and sizes
Ipheion recurvifolium (distributed under "Ipheion sessile", that is not
actually in cultivation)
Ipheion "Rolf Fiedler"
Ipheion tweedianum
and a few other species not yet described
In Tristagma you find
Tristagma bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub (Ipheion bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub) that
grows in the mountains above Santiago, Chile and is not find in Argentina or
Uruguay. T. bivalve looks like a several flowered medium sized Ipheion
uniflorum.
Nothoscordum bivalve has a tall scape with minute flowers not unlike
Nothoscordum "inodorum" and two broadish "valves" (bracts) much like a
crab's claws.
You sound surprised to learn that they have included these plants in
Ornithogalum besides the accostumed musical chairs among genera but as
pressed specimens they all look much the same. In herbariums all the
unidentified specimens are piled as back work hence a name given with a
little accuracy can be a blessing. Only recently with the cultivation of
living plants (and most of them by amateurs) is that knowledge of these
plants has advanced. At Misssouri I had the chance to work in the famous
Traub herbarium. It comprises lots of specimens but all look the same. Like
if Traub had collected and pressed all the flowers in a clump and produced
from them a number of species. . From this situation is that the confusion
from the past drags in into the present. . Another disaster area is when
amateurs mess around. I suspect this was the case with the "Rolf Fiedler"/T.
peregrinans previous thread. More later.
All the best
Alberto
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