Hi all, It's obvious that other groups were not fulfilling the wishes of some Haemanthus and Scadoxus enthusiasts. The same applies to the new Crinum group as well. New groups are created all the time. Unneeded groups wither and die. That's life. New Haemanthus & Scadoxus group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/haemanthus/ New Crinum group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Crinum/ Jim Shields ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA