dear Rachel, I am interested in the reference about Albuca-Ornithogalum. Thank you Alberto Italy ---------- Initial Header ----------- From : pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org To : "Pacific Bulb Society" pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Cc : Date : Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:51:14 +0200 Subject : Re: [pbs] Albuca > All Albucas are now Ornithogalums - it has been published. In our seed > catalogue we are still calling them Albuca as everyone knows what Albucas > look like! The reason for the lumping is that there are quite a few species > that overlap the 2 genera and cannot be put into either genus with any > certainty. If anyone is interested I can look for the reference. > Regards > Rachel Saunders > Tel +27 21 762 4245 > Fax +27 21 797 6609 > PO Box 53108, Kenilworth, 7745 South Africa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Sue Ittner" <msittner@mcn.org> > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:34 AM > Subject: [pbs] Albuca > > > > Dear Linda, > > > > I'm not sure how to answer your question about whether all Albucas are now > > Ornithogalums. As Jane wrote, Manning and Goldblatt do seem to be lumping > a > > lot of South African genera. Ornithogalum was already a large genus before > > <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>Albuca, > > <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>Dipcadi, > > Galtonia, Neopatersonia, and > > > <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>Pseudoga > ltonia > > were to be added to it. In South Africa when we visited and looked at > > plants in the field there were Ornithogalums that I thought were Albucas > > until told otherwise because they looked like the Albucas I was familiar > with. > > > > On the other hand we heard that Speta was splitting Scilla which like > > Albuca is in the same family into many new genera which is going in the > > opposite direction at the same time. Some of those proposed changes I > > understand from Julian Slade who follows all of this could change again > > with some of the new genera (Fessia, Pfosseria, Zagrosia - possibly also > > Alrawia, Othocallis, and even Puschkinia) being sunk into Hyacinthus. > > > > It does seem like Manning and Goldblatt are very highly respected in South > > Africa and often what they propose is accepted. > > > > We have discussed on this list that we can choose to go along or not and > as > > long as you include the name of the person who published the specific > > epithet you are always correct. Unfortunately for most of us gardeners > that > > is not information that most of us pay much attention to. I think it > > becomes increasingly difficult to know if we are talking about the same > > plant if it goes by many names. I try to add the synonyms to the wiki if I > > can figure out what they are. > > > > If you are interested in Albuca I hope you have checked out our wiki page > > as Albuca was one of our topics of the week and Julian Slade provided us > > with a very complete introduction. Perhaps he will comment on Linda's > > question if he is reading this. > > > > >Mary Sue, are all Albuca now Ornithogalum? or is this still in the > proposal > > >stage. > > > > > > Mary Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > Alberto Grossi Italy