Dear all: Arnold, the one and only unrivalled Allium King (also known as the Onion man) is our Mark McDonough. He can answer virtually any Allium query and has instated in many of us a permanent interest in these neglected bulbs. He deserves more to be famous than Saviola! Lauw, thanks for the typification: it is like you say. What I fail to add was "they demand cold...in this climate" I have found other Alliums that stand heat: Allium subhirsutum and Allium roseum. This latter was imported years ago from a known bulb retailer in San Francisco and carried some pretty markings along that made me remake a whole bed. Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________