Will we are talking about Mediterranean plants mark your calendar for May 4th and 5th to join in the fun at The San Luis Obispo Botanical Garden Festival located on the central coast of central California. Check out our web site for details: http://www.slobg.org/. It is a brand new garden specializing in the Mediterranean zones of the world. Hope to see you there. Norman Mayer: Greenhouse Manager -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:59 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 22 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Favorite Seed Sources - S.African (Diane Whitehead) 2. Re: Stagnospora curtisii (Den Wilson) 3. Gynandriris anomala (IntarsiaCo@aol.com) 4. Re: Gynandriris anomala (Paul Tyerman) 5. Re: Gynandriris anomala (IntarsiaCo@aol.com) 6. Favourite Seed Sources-S. African (Alberto Castillo) 7. BX 24 (Dell Sherk) 8. more Habranthus (Germ?nRoitman) 9. Pacific BX 24 almost gone (Dell Sherk) 10. Re: Lachenalia aloides (Lauw de Jager) 11. Re: re:///Mediterranean/ climate (Lauw de Jager) 12. Re: Re: Favorite Seed Sources - S.African (Mary Sue Ittner) 13. Re: Bulbs for Mediterranean Gardens--TOW (Cynthia Mueller) 14. Mediterranean climates (Alberto Castillo) 15. Re: Re: mystery bulbs (IntarsiaCo@aol.com) 16. Re: Mediterranean climates (Cynthia Mueller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:44:13 -0800 From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com> Subject: [pbs] Re: Favorite Seed Sources - S.African To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p05111a02ba9c700e767d@[24.77.39.22]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Mary Sue mentioned that she likes the seeds sold to members by IBSA. Do they offer different seeds than Silverhill? Diane Whitehead ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:47:18 -0000 From: "Den Wilson" <valden@vectis52.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pbs] Stagnospora curtisii To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <000d01c2ed22$b0c13c00$d472883e@deny471g8xq1jy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mary Sue, I've never seen Stagnospora curtisii on Nerine even when grown close to other infected Amaryllids. The problem with this disease seems to be rapid re-infection by airborne spores so 'curing' a plant is very much a temporary thing. The answer (if there is one) probably lies in regular protective sprays and avoiding the cool/damp conditions the spores require for germination. This is much easier said than done but ventilating the plants whenever possible and not watering in cool/damp weather helps. In common with other persistant fungal diseases (rust, black-spot etc.) It is extremely difficult to eradicate once established and most commercial preparations rely on prevention rather than cure. The sad truth is that if you grow a number of different hippeastrum you will always encounter this disease sooner or later (usually sooner). It is possible to clean dormant bulbs in early spring by using a 1-hour dip in dilute bleach, hydrogen-peroxide or Dettol which will kill dormant spores under the tunic and in the neck of the bulb but relief is temporary because re-infection by airborne spores is usually not far away. The much hybridized H. vittatum appears to be a major host to this disease. On the other hand, some species appear to be very resistant or immune so perhaps the hybridists should concentrate on these. H. solandriflorum is just showing its first flower spike here and I've never seen a trace of Stagnosp ora on this species. H. puniceum and others also seem to be highly resistant. I would suspect that the more recent H. cybister hybrids are also worth growing. Regards. Den Wilson Isle of Wight UK. Zone 8 (maritime) almost frost-free. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:02:03 EST From: IntarsiaCo@aol.com Subject: [pbs] Gynandriris anomala To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <1c4.6b5c4a8.2ba864bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have uploaded a photo of this flower to the wiki. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… Enjoy. Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, CT 06755-0142 http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:48:12 +1100 From: Paul Tyerman <ptyerman@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [pbs] Gynandriris anomala To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030318234812.01bfcb10@pop.ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:02 18/03/03 EST, you wrote: >I have uploaded a photo of this flower to the wiki. >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… Mark, How big is the flower? I know there are no size references really within the picture, but it appears to me to be larger than the normal miniscule Gynandriris I have seen before (although I haven't seen very many <grin>). I haven't come across that species before so I thought I'd ask. Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9 mailto:ptyerman@ozemail.com.au Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Cyclamen, Crocus, Cyrtanthus, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything else that doesn't move!!!!! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:59:59 EST From: IntarsiaCo@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Gynandriris anomala To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <66.2fd30afd.2ba8724f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/18/2003 7:45:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptyerman@ozemail.com.au writes: > How big is the flower? I know there are no size references really within > the picture, but it appears to me to be larger than the normal miniscule > Gynandriris I have seen before (although I haven't seen very many <grin>). > I haven't come across that species before so I thought I'd ask Paul: The flower is about 5cm across. Cheers, Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, CT 06755-0142 http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:04:10 +0000 From: "Alberto Castillo" <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> Subject: [pbs] Favourite Seed Sources-S. African To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <F88XxfzhBwSDpdIx1l200003d0f@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Dear Diane: The IBSA List is every year full of surprises and most important of all, practically all the items are collected in the wild, which botanically is ideal, by the South African members. Thus you can obtain variations of interest and that to us foreigners are impossible to obtain otherwise. I don't think one list is preferable to the other. Instead, I would order from both! After all, we are always in the chase of the uncommon that every year appear in both lists. Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:11:30 -0400 From: Dell Sherk <dells@voicenet.com> Subject: [pbs] BX 24 To: <Dover20@msn.com>, <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, <Puppincuff@aol.com> Message-ID: <BA9C84FB.725B%dells@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by PBS members for sharing. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at <dells@voicenet.com>. Include "BX 24" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find included with them a statement of how much money (cash or check) you should send the PBS treasurer for your order. This is a charge to defray costs for packing and first-class postage. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address too, in case I don't already have it. Some of you are members of the PBS discussion forum but not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Or contact me at dells@voicenet.com If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send clean, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk, PO Box 224, Holicong, PA, 18928, USA. Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. OFFERINGS: PBS BX 24: (A SPECIAL OFFERING OF SHORTLIVED ITEMS IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY) FROM LEE POULSEN: Seed of Clivia miniata cultivars - $1.00 per seed to cover s & h: 1. Clivia miniata, multi-petal hybrid: Japanese 8-9 petal x 13 petal 2. Clivia miniata 'Light of Buddha': Chinese, banded variegation 3. Clivia miniata, broadleaf variegated 4. Clivia miniata 'Daruma' 5. Rhizomes of Kohleria sp (Gesneriaceae) ex Uli Urban ($2.00 per lot for s&h) Lee says, "They go dormant every winter in our So. Calif. climate, and sprout and bloom each year. Typical Kohleria foliage and flower." Uli said, " Kohleria spec, pink. 30cm plant with small hairy leaves, nice plentiful pink flowers on a branching plant. Some sun, my plants have reacted negatively to mineral fertilizer. Goes fully dormant. Multiplies quickly. Not more than 5 adult rhizomes to a 15-20cm pot, also good with one rhizome in a 15cm pot. May need staking." Thank you, Lee (and Uli) !! Best wishes, Dell --Dell Sherk, Director, Pacific BX ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:17:45 -0300 From: Germ?nRoitman <ggroiti@mail.agro.uba.ar> Subject: [pbs] more Habranthus To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030318100923.00d10080@mail.agro.uba.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Hi all: As promised here are pictures of Habranthus estensis http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… and also of Habranthus pedunculosus (formerly H. teretifolius and H. juncifolius and H. concordiae) http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… All 3 species, including H. gracilifolius have similar leave shape and the inflorescence produce more than 1 flower. You can have more info here: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Best wishes Germán ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:14:24 -0400 From: Dell Sherk <dells@voicenet.com> Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 24 almost gone To: <Dover20@msn.com>, <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, <Puppincuff@aol.com> Message-ID: <BA9C93E8.7265%dells@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" These items have gone very fast!! Very limited supplies. The only items left are: 2. Clivia miniata 'Light of Buddha' 5. Kohleria sp. Dell --Dell Sherk, Director, Pacific BX ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:32:56 +0100 From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Lachenalia aloides To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <3E773C27.B4DBC58A@bulbargence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mary Sue Ittner a ecrit : It looks a lot like Doug's Lachenalia aloides 'Pearsonii' so some of you who grow that variety can tell me if you think that is what this is. Dear Mary Sue, I would agree that your Lachenalia is 'Pearsonii' cultivar. The red rim is typical. The spectacular cultivar 'Quadricolor' also has a terminal red rim at the end in addition to three other coloured bands on the floral tube. Kind regards -- Lauw de Jager BULB'ARGENCE, 30300 Fourques, France Site: http://www.bulbargence.com/ Région: Provence/Camargue, Climat zone: 9a Mediterranean, dr y July-August, peak rainfall in autumn, minimum temps -3-7°C (28-21F) Reference vegetation: Arbutus unedo, Olea europeaea, ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:33:06 +0100 From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] re:///Mediterranean/ climate To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <3E773C32.1C8C2BC2@bulbargence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mary Sue Ittner a *crit : > Lee Poulsen has done a chart with rainfall for Italy to illustrate Angelo's > points. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… > "The months with higher rainfalls are actually November and March-April, > while middle winter is comparatively more dry." Dear all, This is also the pattern for southern France. The weekly depressions during the Septembre-Octobre pêriods are so regular, that I try to complete the majority of our plantings and sowings before the beginning of Septembre. The drier period 'generally' starts in Decembre and continues very often until the end of March. To illustrate: In order to keep the South African iridaceas going, we have now started to irrigate the plantings in the drier areas (as is the case in most years), while in the Mai-June period we have to very careful that they don't get too much rain. A beautiful spring here, with Apricot orchards, Prunus, Budleia and of course many bulbs species in flower. Kind regards -- Lauw de Jager BULB'ARGENCE, 30300 Fourques, France Site: http://www.bulbargence.com/ Région: Provence/Camargue, Climat zone: 9a Mediterranean, dr y July-August, peak rainfall in autumn, minimum temps -3-7°C (28-21F) Reference vegetation: Arbutus unedo, Olea europeaea, ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:35:26 -0800 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Re: Favorite Seed Sources - S.African To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030318072356.00ce2e30@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Diane, To add to what Alberto said sometimes they are different, sometimes the same. But I have found (as is true of Ron Ratko's seed as well) that sometimes different clones of the same species behave and look very different. They may bloom at a different time and the size may be different. Sometimes one pot will germinate and the other not. So if it is a species that I really like or am eager to try I have been known to order the seeds even if I have ordered the same from Rod and Rachel. In the past IBSA would also write the place where the seed was collected if it was wild collected. That was helpful because it would give me an idea if this plant was growing in a very dry habitat and would hate my winters or was growing in the southwestern Cape where there was more rain and therefore it "could" be expected to do better. I use the word "could" because I have found that sometimes when I am able to identify a plant that has been misnamed that I have left out in my rain thinking it was from an area that got rain and learned it was really from Namaqualand and shouldn't like rain I have found that there is no substitute for direct experience. Some things have done fine that shouldn't and some things that should have been all right were not. Mary Sue ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:36:40 -0600 From: "Cynthia Mueller" <c-mueller@tamu.edu> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs for Mediterranean Gardens--TOW To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <se76e8b8.033@ag.tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Where does Central Texas fit into the Mediterranean climate scenario? We have summer days usually always 90 - 100 F, with nights not dropping below 80 - 82F most of the time (which curtails the survival of plants such as pelargoniums). Rainfall in the summer is scattered, but sometimes there will be periods of drizzle/rain for a week or more, which is very rough on rosemary, lavender, lemon verbena, succulents, aloes, yuccas, which can rot under these circumstances. Species gladiolus are also vulnerable to these irregular wet spells. When this does not occur, and watering can be done on a controlled basis, everything is fine. Another 'climactic change' has occurred in my area because almost every home has an irrigation system, which sometimes is too thoroughly wetting flower beds on a continual basis. Rainlilies, in particular, are not triggered to have 'bursts' of bloom under these conditions. It appears that bulbs such as Scilla peruviana have to be lifted in June and not replanted until late fall. The extreme heat of summer must blast the developing flower buds. Hippeastrums can live outdoors successfully in all but the worst winters (dropping to 8F on one occasion, which killed everything in above-ground containers, and froze bulbs down to the basal place that were in the ground. Who could let me know if Central Texas can be included in the concept of 'Mediterranean gardens?' >>> msittner@mcn.org 03/17/03 01:50PM >>> Dear All, The topic for the next two weeks is Bulbs for Mediterranean Gardens. I hope everyone who lives in a Mediterranean climate will tell us a little about their specific microclimate and then the geophytes that do really well, blooming reliably each year, that can be planted in the ground and left. California's Mediterranean climate is divided into three subdivisions: Csa. Climate with hot summers, the highest monthly temperature averaging over 72 degress F. (22 degrees C.) that includes what we can the Valley (Sacramento, Stockton, Fresno) and Los Angeles Csb. Climate with moderate to warm summers, the highest monthly temperature averaging below 72 degrees F. (22 degrees C.) and including Santa Rosa, Santa Barbara, and Long Beach Csc. Coastal areas that have cool summers with frequent fogs like San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Monterey and Eureka We have members from all three of these subdivisions and we have people from western Australia and other areas of Australia with this climate and people from the Mediterranean basin. Rachel is out collecting so we won't hear from her. So please tell us what works for you and give others ideas of new things to try in their gardens. Although my rainfall is a higher than the criteria listed, otherwise I fit and since I live on the first ridge, just a couple of miles away close to sea level, the 15 year rainfall averages are within the norm and 20 inches (7.8cm.) lower than my rainfall. So later in the week when I catch my breath I will share about what grows happily for me with little attention in the ground. Jerry mentioned when I announced this topic that some of the areas of the Pacific Northwest had a Mediterranean climate. Much of the Pacific Northwest is much colder in winter and some of it wetter and there are areas I believe that do get rain in summer. But if you live in Washington, Oregon, or BC and didn't tell us about what grows for you when we discussed Bulbs for the Pacific Northwest and your microclimate has a Medit pattern feel free to share. The same goes for anyone else who feels their garden fits the pattern. Mary Sue PBS List Administrator and TOW Coordinator Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:50:27 +0000 From: "Alberto Castillo" <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> Subject: [pbs] Mediterranean climates To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <F60cTEGi9R6K7sI59e800005ac8@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Cynthia: The question would be: Do bulbs from Mediterranean climates naturalize in your area? In other words, do they reappear every year without being lifted? Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:52:53 EST From: IntarsiaCo@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Re: mystery bulbs To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <1e5.4b6881e.2ba8a8e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/11/2003 8:07:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, crocosmia@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > >>>>Unknown -- This showed up in a potful of Geissorhiza seedlings, seed > from Silverhill. Any help identifying this would be welcome. Photographed > by > Mark Mazer. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… > > Could this be Romulea clusiana. > It's Romulea tabularis, Mary Sue got it correct. The giveaway is the dark brown streaks on the bract margins, not visible in the photo. Thanks to both of you for the suggestions. Best regards, Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, CT 06755-0142 http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:58:45 -0600 From: "Cynthia Mueller" <c-mueller@tamu.edu> Subject: Re: [pbs] Mediterranean climates To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <se76fbe7.026@ag.tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, Alberto, To answer the question of whether or not bulbs from Mediterranean climates naturalize in Central Texas, you'll have to give me several more years in which to reply! I do know that Roman hyacinths have lasted here in yards at least since 1900, and I think very rarely they come from seed. Rhodophiala bifida from Argentina (evidently imported by the German-Texas horticulturist Oberwetter) are seen in many older yards and abandoned gardens. The common grape hyacinth (often inhabiting drier lawns or open places) and Leucojum aestivum are even older inhabitants of gardens in Central Texas. Cynthia Mueller >>> ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com 03/18/03 09:50AM >>> Hi Cynthia: The question would be: Do bulbs from Mediterranean climates naturalize in your area? In other words, do they reappear every year without being lifted? Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 22 **********************************
