Dear all: How much one can learn from this superposition of different garden situations!. Here under milder conditions Allium tuberosum is a well behaved plant and only increases slowly although flowers regularly in summer. It was great to hear of other alliums that could do well here like trifoliatum, anisopodium and jajlae. I do not have subvillosum or chamaemoly now. Thanks for mentioning them. Allium drummondii is permanent here as was the beautiful deep golden yellow A. coryi in very well drained soil, Mark, for many years. As for the Texan bunch their taxonomy is all wrong for although they look superficially different when I planted them in the Texan bed the most frantic Allium orgy took place and all crossed with all producing lots of intermediates and the whole bed became a terrible mess. This is not how normal species behave. Therefore a word of warning. If you can grow them, keep the pots well separated. Allium triquetrum is vigorous and can be invasive here too, Mary Sue. Two ways to control it, first to use it as a woodland plant where its flowering season in spring is very long, even in dry shade. Another I have seen is to use the bulbs as pickled onions. It would be great if back issues of G.A.R.L.I.C. were available to the web. It deserves to be well known! Who could dispute your expertise, Mark. The more one see luxury bulb books written by people who never grew a single bulb the more one appreciate the real specialist. Regards Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en lĂnea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/