When someone as knowledgeable as Tony Avent, and a nursery person in addition, gives a different name than I am used to, I pay attention because we do like to have correct nomenclature in our own sales area (I admit to not having changed our Cimicifugas to Actaea, however--BAD). We list Epipactis gigantea 'Serpentine Night' and not Epipactus giganteus 'Serpentine Knight'. The RHS Plant Finder also has the former. Tony, was that just a slip of the fingers, or is there some controversy regarding the name? Ernie O'Byrne Northwest Garden Nursery 86813 Central Road Eugene OR 97402-9284 USA Phone: 541 935-3915 FAX: 541 935-0863 "Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Tony Avent Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:28 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Epipactis gigantea Mary Sue: Surprisingly, Epipactus giganteus grows wonderful for us in bone dry sand. We irrigate occasionally through the summer, but it has proven to be amazingly durable. We have grown the cultivar E. 'Serpentine Knight' for about 8 years. At 07:15 AM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Our wildflower season is winding down now although we are still enjoying >the starry flowers of the Chlorogalum on those hot days we walk in the >evening. A couple of weeks ago however we saw this orchid on one of our >hikes growing close to the Gualala River. It is probably covered by water >during the winter months when the River runs high, but now is growing in >the gravel. A lot of our local orchids really need a hand lens to >appreciate as the flowers are quite small, but this one has larger flowers. >This species has rhizomes and this particular plant is expanding each year. >My field guide says that it is found on the margins of lakes, streams, and >springs in the Pacific states. I saw a picture of this species in a slide >shown by Roger Raiche at a California Horticultural Society meeting as it >grows on his property, the Cedars, which has serpentine soil and can be >very hot in summer (and VERY wet in winter.)I thought it was very pretty at >the time but thought it would need to be quite wet to grow well, but now I >wonder how dry it would be in summer. Epipactis gigantea is listed in the >Telos Catalog and maybe Diana will tell us how she grows it. I haven't made >a Wiki page yet for it, but here are pictures Bob took: >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… >And for size: >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… > >You may remember that we were discussing how to arrange field guides. My >friend who arranges by color and is rewriting her book was along so we >began to discuss where she was going to put this plant. She uses white, >yellow, red, pink, blue, green, and brown as the choices. She was going to >put it in pink, but had changed her mind to yellow. Most of us voted brown >as from a distance that is what you notice, but my husband thought green. >Another said mauve would be good, but my friends just groaned and said >there wasn't going to be a mauve. I looked it up in Peterson (Pacific >States Wildflowers) which also arranges by color and it is described as >having yellow-green flowers, but is on a page that is the transition from >orange to pink (because of the lip which they describe as orange.) I know >the colors on everyone's computers will be a little different so don't know >what you all will think. This certainly illustrates how a few plants are >challenging to classify by color. > >Mary Sue >Mary Sue Ittner >California's North Coast >Wet mild winters with occasional frost >Dry mild summers > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdel.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php
