Interesting to read Jim's message regarding Rhodophialia bifidia since despite the considerable geographic separation our experience is much the same. I have plants of many rhodophialias, some raised from seed from the BCW expedition in the 1970s and still thriving vegetatively but all, with the notable exception of R.bifidia, only occasionally flower whatever I do. I have R.bifida on a rock bed in the open and also a pot full, just in case!, and both flower well every year. In my garden a good soaking with warm rain in September seems to initiate flowering and are in full flower now. Also today, the first flowers and leaves on Cyclamen graceum and C.mirabelle on the rock bed; the potted cyclamen are asking for water and I will attend to their wishes at the weekend Peter.Maynard@btinternet.com S.E. England Zone 8 Coastal Plain natales grate numeras