Diane, you are not alone there. I also have some species of Glads and other species I've grown from seed I've received from various suppliers in SA, and they produce lovely foliage each year but I'm still waiting for flowers. However, I'm willing to persevere until they come. A few years ago I compiled a database of my own seed-sowing, germination times for seed, of many of the SA species. I'm happy to dig it out and post it, if it will be a help. But these are Australian conditions of course. Part of my research was planting the same seed, early in the season, late in the season, etc., to compare germination rates and the results were quite interesting. I intend to continue this eventually, when I retire which doesn't seem likely to happen just yet. Your idea for a group database is an excellent idea. regards, Bill Richardson Gippsland Australia 0-15c. Cold, wet days of winter. Ixia site: http://www.angelfire.com/ri/ixia/ Suite 101 site: http://suite101.com/welcome.cfm/bulbs_and_plants