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Re: Carl Purdy info trove (Carl Frederick) > 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 77, Issue 9 (Luminita vollmer) > 3. Re: Carl Purdy info trove (Geri Cooper) > 4. Re: Carl Purdy info trove (michaelcmace@gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:09:20 -0700 > From: Carl Frederick <carlfrederick@comcast.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Carl Purdy info trove > Message-ID: <0BF53ED5-CC72-47C8-BA28-32AE8E7F4F21@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Perhaps Purdy?s collecting was not as damaging as it might appear. But as to the survival of his sale plants around the world, I think we know how that went. The following are also from the article: > _________________________________________ > > Even while alive Purdy's harvesting practices were criticized by some as leading to the depletion of California's population of native bulbs and flowers. "Purdy disagreed, explaining that his technique (the same approach used by the Native Americans in their harvest of bulbs for food) of separating the smaller bulbs and replanting them, in fact, ensured greater growth and volume of future plants." [Mendocino County Museum "A Passion for Plants & Place, p.9] Rather, Purdy blamed livestock grazing, invasive grasses, and lack of brush clearing fire as described in his 1930 lecture at the New York Botanical Garden for the loss of California's wild flowers. > > Purdy, unlike Burbank, didn't hybridize plants but instead gathered plants and bulbs, particularly native lilies, on his field trips throughout Northern California. Purdy would then propagate these bulbs and sell them by the thousands to Eastern and European nurseries. > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 07:14:11 -0700 >> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> >> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Carl Purdy info trove >> Message-ID: <63983de5-4058-8648-e346-1bf93d4833fd@mcn.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> It is unfortunate that someone who cared so much about California's >> native bulbs was responsible for the loss of so many. For those of you >> who did not read the whole article there is this: >> "Carl sent the bulb to a plant dealer in New Jersey who promised to pay >> him $1.50 for each 100 bulbs he could send. The dealer was Woolson & >> Co., of Passaic, New Jersey; the firm's 1883 catalog includes a dozen >> species of Calochortus bulbs collected by Purdy. The Woolson catalog has >> been digitized by Mertz Library staff and may be accessed here.? Purdy >> would go on to establish a major nursery company specializing in the >> native plants and flowers of California especially its bulbs. His firm, >> at its peak of production, harvested over half a million native bulbs >> from the wild per year for export to dealers around the globe." >> >> This reminds me of a story about Wayne Roderick who also loved native >> bulbs and would take visitors from other countries to see them in the >> wild, but would threaten to leave them without transportation back if >> they dared to dig a bulb. >> >> Mary Sue >> >>> On 7/17/2023 4:38 PM, Paige Woodward via pbs wrote: >>> Here is an online presentation from the NY Botanical Garden: >>> >>> The Man from Ukiah: >>> Carl Purdy and the Bulbs and Wild Flowers of California > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:33:19 -0500 > From: Luminita vollmer <luminita.vollmer@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 77, Issue 9 > Message-ID: > <CAJso_==a8RYGL-qSc7zUBmRT9jvSXcyv1XPOoLUd6Cut71QcTg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 08:42:44 -0700 >> From: Paige Woodward <paige@hillkeep.ca> >> To: Pacific Bulb Society PBS <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Carl Purdy info trove >> >> ........ > >> >> Mary Sue, thank you. If the story had not mentioned Purdy?s digging, I >> would have done so. But perhaps some readers would have skipped around and >> missed the passage, and its implications. >> >> It is a classic tale of hurting the one you love. >> >> >> >> No doubt such discussions are frivolous. I am far from imagining that one >> could conserve a few charismatic taxa, such as lilies and the other bulbs >> we celebrate on this list, while leaving the rest behind. >> >> Paige Woodward >> > > > Well then - we should make fun and laugh at those that have the intent and > dedication to save a few species - especially the lily species, because it > is all for nothing, and no need to save a few when there are so many left > behind. > > > #savelilyspecies > > Luminita > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 18:13:42 +0000 > From: Geri Cooper <geri@wcooper.net> > To: Bridgett Wosczyna Wosczyna via pbs > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Carl Purdy info trove > Message-ID: <647DB2DA-20DD-4CE7-812A-5BDA80FEC76B@wcooper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This was a very sad but interesting thread. It echoes what one of our hiking buddies here in Marin told us about the land of the now defunct San Geronimo Golf Course that it used to be filled with calochortus bulbs. And then just several years ago hundreds of dudleya plants were stolen by some an East Asian gangs to sell from the headlands. Geri > >> On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> It is unfortunate that someone who cared so much about California's native bulbs was responsible for the loss of so many. For those of you who did not read the whole article there is this: >> "Carl sent the bulb to a plant dealer in New Jersey who promised to pay him $1.50 for each 100 bulbs he could send. The dealer was Woolson & Co., of Passaic, New Jersey; the firm's 1883 catalog includes a dozen species of Calochortus bulbs collected by Purdy. The Woolson catalog has been digitized by Mertz Library staff and may be accessed here. Purdy would go on to establish a major nursery company specializing in the native plants and flowers of California especially its bulbs. His firm, at its peak of production, harvested over half a million native bulbs from the wild per year for export to dealers around the globe." >> >> This reminds me of a story about Wayne Roderick who also loved native bulbs and would take visitors from other countries to see them in the wild, but would threaten to leave them without transportation back if they dared to dig a bulb. >> >> Mary Sue >> >> On 7/17/2023 4:38 PM, Paige Woodward via pbs wrote: >>> Here is an online presentation from the NY Botanical Garden: >>> >>> The Man from Ukiah: >>> Carl Purdy and the Bulbs and Wild Flowers of California >>> >>> https://libguides.nybg.org/c.php/… >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> PBS Forum https://… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 23:32:56 -0700 > From: <michaelcmace@gmail.com> > To: <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Carl Purdy info trove > Message-ID: <065201d9bad4$05be4910$113adb30$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Paige wrote: >> I've been asked whether Carl Purdy's property in Ukiah, The Terraces, > still exists. Does anyone know? > > This is a fun topic, Paige! Thanks for bringing it up. > > I did some digging online, and it doesn't look like the property was paved > over, but it's hard to tell exactly where the house was, or whether it still > exists. Here are some tidbits about it: > > This link has a picture of the home, and says it was a couple of miles up > Mill Creek Canyon. > https://ukiahdailyjournal.com/2021/09/… > -ago-september-1921/ > > (By the way, these links are all one line of text. If your email system > breaks them into several lines, you will need to remove the carriage returns > and make them back into single lines.) > > There is still a Mill Creek Canyon Road east of Ukiah, and based on what I > see on Google Maps it is mostly undeveloped. > > Here is a delightful article about a visit to the Terraces, absolutely worth > reading (the transcript is on the left side of the page). > https://cdnc.ucr.edu//… > ------- > > There is a shorter article here: > https://newspapers.com/article/3796393/… > > And here are Jepson's field notes (yes, that Jepson) about a visit to > Purdy's place. He says Purdy was growing lilies just over the border of Lake > County, in Lyons Valley, while the Calochortus terraces were at the head of > Mill Creek. > https://ucjepsarchives.berkeley.edu/archon/… > id=703 > > On Google Maps, there are a couple of homes in that area today but it is not > heavily developed at all. Whether there is anything left of the gardens, I > have no idea. Unfortunately, Street View does not reach up into the canyon. > > Based on the articles, Carl Purdy was a lot more than a bulb harvester. He > grew native and exotic bulbs for sale, was a well-known landscape designer, > and was generally well respected in his day. I am not a fan of collecting > bulbs in the wild, but I don't think we can really judge him 100 years > later. Conditions are very different today. And I think it's fair to note > that he never caused the extinction of any bulb species in California. The > Calochortus species that we know we've lost were done in by > agriculture/grazing and the construction of Interstate 5. And C. > tiburonensis, which we almost lost, was threatened by a housing development. > I think it's fair to say that various forms of agriculture and development > have been a much bigger threat to the flora of California than collectors. > That doesn't make collecting from the wild OK, but we should keep it in > perspective. > > I want to let Carl Purdy speak in his own defense about his collecting > practices. This is from one of the articles above: > > "Does not this wholesale collecting tend to despoil the state of it's > lilies?" I asked. > "Oh, no, indeed," was his reply "The greatest enemies of our native bulbs > are the gophers and forest fires. My collectors are instructed. to leave the > bulbels and stalks, carefully covering them, and in a few years they produce > more than were dug out. Imagine, if you can, a spot where seven thousand > trillluums could be dug in one day, and yet they would hardly be missed from > the many thousands remaining. That is what I have done in the mountains > north of Willits." > > I am not sure I believe that, but I'm also not sure it's untrue. We'd need > someone to run an experiment to be sure. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum https://… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 77, Issue 10 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…