Yes. I used to confuse the two when pronouncing Escholscholzia.
It’s so much easier to say Elscholtsia than Eschoscholzia. To the ear, it sounds similar.
Now it serves as a continual reminder.
Matt
On 2/15/18, 5:07 PM, "pbs on behalf of ds429" <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net on behalf of ds429@frontier.com> wrote:
Sigismund Elscholts of Elscholtsia (Vietnamese balm) ?
Dell
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On Thu, 2/15/18, Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [pbs] Eschscholzia
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 4:27 PM
And then there is the genus
Elsholtzia to consider.
Not that Sigismund
Elscholts from the 1600’s knew Johan Frederich Eschscholtz
(1793-1831).
I wonder how Johan spelled his
name?
Matt Mattus
Worcester, MA
On 2/15/18,
3:52 PM, "pbs on behalf of Jane McGary" <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
on behalf of janemcgary@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Some
occurrences of schsch and similar horrors in plant names
result
from transliteration into
German of Cyrillic characters, such as this
one that indicates sh+ch (in English
spelling) as a single phoneme
(meaningful sound). German, like the related language
English, uses
digraphs or trigraphs
to express certain phonemes. There are other odd
botanical spellings resulting from this
process of transliteration. A
number
of German botanists worked in Russian territory in the 18th
and
19th centuries. When I worked in
Alaska I ran across their names often.
Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon
On 2/15/2018 10:17 AM, penstemon
wrote:
> Jane wrote
"California poppy (Eschscholzia californica, and if you
can spell that name better, go ahead) "
> Jane used the currently accepted
spelling, but the eponym was spelled Eschscholtz, and most
pre-WWII books used the spelling Eschscholtzia.
> Here's my guess why the
"t" was dropped: in German, "z" at the
beginning of syllables is pronounced "ts". That
would phonetically make the word eschscholt tsia. One would
think that anyone who could negotiate the schsch in the same
word would be able to do the tts at the end of the word -
but who knows? Anyone else have an idea?
>
> Original
spelling was “Eschscholzia”.
>
https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/11630589/…
> Bob Nold
>
Denver, Colorado
>
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