From robin@hansennursery.com Fri, 01 Sep 2017 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <004601d32366$6205f3f0$2611dbd0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Ledebouria crispa Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:07:55 -0700 Does anyone have or know where I might find Ledebouria crispa bulbs or seeds here in the US? I have a customer looking for it, and it's really a cute, very small nifty little plant. Thanks, Robin Hansen Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com No smoke, too warm _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From luminita.vollmer@gmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Luminita vollmer Subject: Ledebouria crispa Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:56:24 -0500 Hi Robin - I like Dave's Garden blog and it seems he has some resources. Please check this link and connect with him. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/192609/#b Luminita On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > Does anyone have or know where I might find Ledebouria crispa bulbs or > seeds > here in the US? I have a customer looking for it, and it's really a cute, > very small nifty little plant. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robin Hansen > > Hansen Nursery > > robin@hansennursery.com > > > > No smoke, too warm > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From thorne.fred@gmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2017 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Frederick Thorne Subject: Ledebouria crispa Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:58:20 -0700 I believe Out of Africa nursery On Sep 1, 2017 4:08 PM, "Hansen Nursery" wrote: > Does anyone have or know where I might find Ledebouria crispa bulbs or > seeds > here in the US? I have a customer looking for it, and it's really a cute, > very small nifty little plant. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robin Hansen > > Hansen Nursery > > robin@hansennursery.com > > > > No smoke, too warm > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri, 01 Sep 2017 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1ED6944B-DA5B-4DD7-A830-284FFC32ACF5@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Flora of Middle-Earth: Plants of J.R.R. Tolkien's Legendarium: Walter S. Judd, Graham A. Judd Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:20:04 -0700 I don’t know if there are any geophytes described in this new book, but until a librarian friend of mine told me about it, I didn’t even know about this book or that it has just been published: Flora of Middle-Earth: Plants of J.R.R. Tolkien's Legendarium by Walter S. Judd & Graham A. Judd > https://www.amazon.com/Flora-Middle-Earth-Plants-Tolkiens-Legendarium/dp/0190276312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504304076&sr=8-1&keywords=flora+of+middle+earth --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Sun, 03 Sep 2017 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Cyrtanthus obliquus and other recent flowers Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 09:18:46 -0400 This week, I was pleased to finally see flowers on a Cyrtanthus obliquus bulb that I have been growing for about four years. It has resolutely refused to offset, so I'm hoping it might prove to be self-fertile. Pictures here: https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ Other recent blooms, some in pots and some in the ground, have included Bessera elegans, Boophone disticha, Lilium catesbaei, Lilium formosanum, Lycoris spp., and Hymenocallis occidentalis. Click the "Bulbs" category on the blog if you are interested in pictures. Speaking of H. occidentalis, can anyone tell me how to treat the seed (apart from labeling them "Not lima beans, do not eat")? Should I plant immediately in the ground (zone 7), plant immediately in pots and keep in the greenhouse over winter, or store in the fridge and plant in spring? The mother plant is definitely hardy in this climate, but I'm not sure about seedlings. Nick Plummer North Carolina, USA, Zone 7 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sun, 03 Sep 2017 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Cyrtanthus obliquus and other recent flowers Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 14:07:53 +0000 ...a very good looking obliquus bloom! Let us know more, about self pollination. -CM, Central Texas Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 3, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Nicholas plummer wrote: > > This week, I was pleased to finally see flowers on a Cyrtanthus obliquus > bulb that I have been growing for about four years. It has resolutely > refused to offset, so I'm hoping it might prove to be self-fertile. > > Pictures here: > https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ > > Other recent blooms, some in pots and some in the ground, have included > Bessera elegans, Boophone disticha, Lilium catesbaei, Lilium formosanum, > Lycoris spp., and Hymenocallis occidentalis. Click the "Bulbs" category on > the blog if you are interested in pictures. > > Speaking of H. occidentalis, can anyone tell me how to treat the seed > (apart from labeling them "Not lima beans, do not eat")? Should I plant > immediately in the ground (zone 7), plant immediately in pots and keep in > the greenhouse over winter, or store in the fridge and plant in spring? > The mother plant is definitely hardy in this climate, but I'm not sure > about seedlings. > > Nick Plummer > North Carolina, USA, Zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Sun, 03 Sep 2017 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2a45ae3a-6aed-613f-ac8c-0bdc515bc11b@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Barnardia Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:10:33 -0700 I've grown plants to flower from NARGS seed labeled Scilla scilloides that I understood had become Scilla japonica and then Barnardia japonica. It had an unusual growth habit. I succumbed to NARGS seed of Barnardia numidica a couple of years ago and since it also had a similar growth habit and looks similar I wondered what B. numidica is supposed to look like. The only images I could find in brief searching looked similar and I couldn't find much at all about Barnardia numidica except for a paper that said : "Barnardia numidica is distributed in northern Africa and the Balearic Islands. However, it is now believed that B. numidica is not related to Barnardia (data not shown) and should be transferred to a genus of its own." Something from North Africa one would think would not look like something from China and Japan. I vaguely remembered Jane McGary once wrote about the growth habit of her Scilla scilloides and so this morning I searched our list and found this quote from Jane from 2003 when I asked her what the growth habit was supposed to be of Scilla scilloides. > I don't know what it is SUPPOSED to do, but what it does here is grow > anywhere I put it, whether it gets water in summer or not, and flowers > usually in late August to September. The leaves seem to grow twice -- > once in the fall and once in the spring. I have had it for many years > (like many other American gardeners, I bought it under the mistaken > name "S. numidica," which is a real name of a very rare plant). I wish I had remembered the part about it being misnamed in seed exchanges. So I probably have what I had before. There are photos on the Internet but are they correctly named? Does anyone have any information about the real Barardia numidica? I found this: http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=120098&SID=0&mobile=0&code_category_taxon=9&size=1 but it doesn't really help me. It would be nice to know how the two differ. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 04 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Red Begonia Machu Picchu ( john hamilton - old list) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 17:40:42 +0100 Forwarded from the old list ------------------------------------------------- John Hamilton writes I am at present trying to track down the original species begonias that the modern hybrids were originally bred from with a view to using them in Scottish Begonia Society display at next years gardening Scotland.At present I have B. boliviensis and B. pearcei,B. cinnabarina, I am still trying to locate B. clarkei,B. veitchii ------------------------------------------------- -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 04 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <00887954-c8a7-830a-b5dc-8f6428f2ef20@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Streptopus amplexifolius (old list Linda Foulis) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 17:43:37 +0100 Forwarded from the old list -------------------------------------------------------------------- Linda Foulis writes I was reading the email on Stenomesson, which reminded me to get on the PBS website to try to ID the pot of ? , seed started from someone in France 2008? Seed was very similar to clivia seed if anyone can help me on that. I thought it started with st? Anyway, I saw the entry for Streptopus. That is a very hardy plant and grows everywhere here. Here being the Rocky Mountain House area in Alberta, Canada. I've found it within 20 km of home, it is quite rampant in fact. It is definitely hardy to Zone 2. I found a beautiful specimen last week on a seed hunting trip to Shunda View Point, approx. 80 km west of Rocky. I collected the berries and I'm going to attempt again to figure out germination. Linda Foulis North of Leslieville, Alberta, Canada The leaves are already starting to turn and it is too chilly in the morning. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 04 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <60c625f1-7fb7-806c-2d7c-7bcb3d90e814@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Haemanthus humilis pink flower Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 17:46:05 +0100 Forwarded from the old list ------------------ Sujit sorry I am not sure. I have had them since 2014. First time they flowered. I would guess they were 3 years old when I got them. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6 b ------------------ -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joseph.andrew.gorman@gmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2017 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Joe G Subject: Red Begonia Machu Picchu ( john hamilton - old list) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 13:36:34 -0400 Ben Kamm at Sacred Succulents lists B. veitchii here: http://sacredsucculents.com/andean-ethnobotanical-collections/ On Sep 4, 2017 12:40 PM, "David Pilling" wrote: > Forwarded from the old list > > ------------------------------------------------- > > John Hamilton writes > > I am at present trying to track down the original species begonias that > the modern hybrids were originally bred from with a view to using them in > Scottish Begonia Society display at next years gardening Scotland.At > present I have B. boliviensis and B. pearcei,B. cinnabarina, I am still > trying to locate B. clarkei,B. veitchii > > ------------------------------------------------- > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 05 Sep 2017 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <464488845.2993409.1504622011466@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 424 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 424" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Fred Thorne: (BULBS. There is only ONE share of some items.) 1. Habranthus brachyandrus 2. Habranthus robustus 3. Habranthus tubispathus 4. Habranthus tubispathus, typical Texas form 5. Habranthus x floryi, green base 6. Habranthus x floryi, purple base 7. Haemanthus albiflos 8. Haemanthus barkerae 9. Haemanthus pauculifolius 10. Hippeastrum striatum 11. Hippeastrum vittatum 12. Hyacinthoides lingulata 13. Ipheion uniflorum 14. Lachenalia alba 15. Lachenalia aloides var. quadricolor 16. Lachenalia bulbifera 17. Lachenalia mutabilis, electric blue 18. Lachenalia orchioides var. glaucina 19. Lachenalia pallida 20. Lachenalia pusilla 21. Lachenalia pustulata 22. Lachenalia rubida 23. Lachenalia unicolor 24. Lachenalia unifolia, ex Telos 25. Lachenalia viridiflora 26. Lachenalia juncifolia 27. Massonia depressa 28. Massonia depressa, M51 Modderfontein 29. Massonia pustulata, M41 ex Cumbleton 30. Massonia pygmaea, Modderfontein, Renosterveld Thank you, Fred !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1525560990.3766678.1504702147672@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific BX 424 CLOSED Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From clcox@ucdavis.edu Wed, 06 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <329A5F1C-9F2F-473B-80A0-D8A37A6A7A9A@ucdavis.edu> From: Chad Cox Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 09:36:00 -0700 Hi Everyone, So I live in the Sacramento CA area (zone 8ish) and I have had what are apparently lycoris squamigera planted for several years and all I've ever seen are a few leaves in the winter time. I just got some amaryllis belladonna from the bulb exchange and read the information about both species on the wiki. So my question is: it says that it is unlikely that both types would grow in the same region. So that being said should I just dig up the lycoris and get rid of them or is there any chance if I put them in the right place and give them proper care that they will do something for me? Thank you in advance for any advice you can offer. Chad Cox Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Wed, 06 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:08:48 -0700 Diana Chapman shared an interesting anecdote a number of years ago about a surprise Lycoris flowering in California. You can read it here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2005-August/86kqsav51bokkfv5ips2f971q4.html It was speculation on her part that a drop in temperature had induced flowering. California often has sunny fall months and doesn't get cold sometimes until November. You might search the archives as I think this has been discussed a number of times before. On 9/6/2017 9:36 AM, Chad Cox wrote: > So that being said should I just dig up the lycoris and get rid of them or is there any chance if I put them in the right place and give them proper care that they will do something for me? Mary Sue where my "naked ladies", Gladiolus carmineus, has started to flower in spite of the oppressive heat on the North Coast of California _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9268bb69-62bf-2c95-98b6-b7da36c7d93d@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 18:14:13 +0100 Hi Chad, On 06/09/2017 17:36, Chad Cox wrote: > So I live in the Sacramento CA area (zone 8ish) and I have had what are apparently lycoris squamigera There was a discussion on the list in Feb 2017 about problems with Lycoris and the question of if they appear with A. belladonna, it starts with this post (and goes on for quite a while, scroll down the pane on the left): http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2017-February/mvk8j1e9ar55feshgm9pajarl4.html -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:45:46 -0500 Dear PBSers, These two bulbs grow in very different climates and environments. Although I can grow various species of Lycoris easily here in Kansas City, I simply cannot grow Amaryllis b. From my limited experience with Amaryllis here are a few points involved here: Amaryllis Not hardy north of Zone 8 (approx) Grow in full sun Bulbs BAKE prior to bloom Bulbs dry during the annual growing season Lycoris 2 sections in the genus. The common L. squamigera Hardy to Zone 5 and some of Zone 4, does poorly south of zone 6/7 Grow under deciduous trees with light shade during winter and spring when foliage appears. Bulbs tolerate full sun, but do not prosper where the soil ‘bakes’. Bulbs stay moist all year and do not dry in nature. As more species and hybrids of Lycoris are coming into cultuivation, there is more confusion over the differing growing needs of different species. Some do well in milder climates. Seeing L. squamigera side by side with Amaryllis b. gives no doubt as to correct ID. GENERALLY the two are very different and GENERALY do not thrive in the same conditions. Unfortunately they both share the common name of ‘Naked Ladies’ or ‘Surprise Lilies’. See http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/AmaryllisVsLycoris Best Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <843173c1-f6f6-c14c-3547-a90e25c1b995@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 21:11:24 +0100 Hi, Some better results for both species together: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-October/eicbabrrkefrvgjinltgu3fev5.html http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2014-August/68729445vj95c5cf1lonrtbia5.html Searches: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist?q=title:(Lycoris AND Amaryllis) http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist?q=(Lycoris AND Amaryllis) -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 23:38:24 +0100 Hi, On 06/09/2017 21:11, David Pilling wrote: > Searches: (for Amaryllis and Lycoris together) Those links don't work when clicked in my mailer or on the list archive. They will work if copied and pasted, but since that needs the rack of the eye, these are short URL versions: https://goo.gl/on57Fh https://goo.gl/R3BZ6R -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ottopauld@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 03:19:28 +0000 A friend in Indiana sent me Lycoris squamigera when I lived in Portland Or. After nine years the bulbs never flowered, but the Amaryllis always flowered. If I am remembering correctly, Lycoris squamigera foliage emerges in the spring. Paul Otto Brookings Or-- where Lycoris radiata refuses to flower also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > > Diana Chapman shared an interesting anecdote a number of years ago about a surprise Lycoris flowering in California. You can read it here: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2005-August/86kqsav51bokkfv5ips2f971q4.html > > It was speculation on her part that a drop in temperature had induced flowering. California often has sunny fall months and doesn't get cold sometimes until November. You might search the archives as I think this has been discussed a number of times before. > > >> On 9/6/2017 9:36 AM, Chad Cox wrote: >> So that being said should I just dig up the lycoris and get rid of them or is there any chance if I put them in the right place and give them proper care that they will do something for me? > Mary Sue > where my "naked ladies", Gladiolus carmineus, has started to flower in spite of the oppressive heat on the North Coast of California > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From clcox@ucdavis.edu Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Chad Cox Subject: amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 06:34:20 -0700 Thanks everyone for your comments! Since I also live in the interior of California where temperatures get over 100 fairly regularly during the summer I guess I will try putting the lycoris in a shadier spot with more irrigation and see what happens. I'm hopeful that the amaryllis belladonna that I just got from the BX will do much better Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <24a101d32830$6bf33ac0$43d9b040$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 16:24:14 -0700 A couple of thoughts about Jim's notes on A. belladonna: >Grow in full sun Depends on how much sun you have, but they definitely prefer a lot of light. Here in sunny California they are OK in part sun. But they're not the sort of things you'd usually grow in the deep shade of a large tree. >Bulbs BAKE prior to bloom Meaning their natural climate is dry most of the summer, although their part of South Africa does get a bit of occasional rain and fog in summer. I think some of our Aussie friends have reported that they actually bloom a bit better when they get a thunderstorm or two in summer, and here in California they definitely thrive better on the cool coast than they do far inland where there's no summer fog. When grown in pots (large pots only), they need light summer moisture so the roots don't dry out. >Bulbs dry during the annual growing season Depends on what you mean by "growing season." They are dry in the blooming season, but they need rainfall when in leaf, winter-spring. Hope that helps. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2017 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Lycoris albiflora and DNA analysis Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:46:22 -0400 Some questions for the Lycoris experts out there (paging Jim Waddick...). I'm currently reading the Shi et al. (2014) paper on Lycoris phylogeny and evolution in the Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society. Based on their DNA analysis, the authors identify the putative parents of several Lycoris hybrids. Among other things, they conclude that Lycoris albiflora and Lycoris caldwellii are both hybrids of L. sprengeri x L chinensis. I currently have a plant purchased as L. albiflora flowering in my garden. It is a winter foliage-type, like L. radiata, and its flowers look like L. radiata but are creamy with a pale peach mid vein. Since L. sprengeri and L. chinensis are both spring foliage plants, I'm wondering if its ID is incorrect. So, questions: 1. When does the true L. albiflora produce its foliage? 2. Is the "L. albiflora" of commercial production really L. albiflora or something else? 3. Given its blooming season (exactly the same time as L. radiata in my garden), overall morphology, and winter foliage, might my plant be L. straminea? According to Shi et al., L. straminea is L. chinensis x L. radiata var. pumila. Thanks, Nick Durham, NC (zone 7). Also blooming: Rodophiala bifida 'Hill Country Red' and Lycoris radiata var radiata (in the garden), L. aurea (in a pot). _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 08 Sep 2017 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <360B0474-F939-41A0-8C9E-68EA2FBE156E@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and lycoris squamigera Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 10:46:45 -0500 Dear Mike and all, Both bulbs can grow in moderate amounts of light- Full sun can be as few as 4 or 6 hours a day and same with full shade. But Amaryllis is essentiall a plant for sun and Lycoris are plants for shade. We could easily start a while new topic on what it means for bulbs to ‘BAKE”. Bulbs that experience long warm to hot/dry periods experience soils that dry deeply. Bulbs lilke Lycoris that do not grow where they bake experience some soil moisture all growing season and dormancy. I suspect this may corelate with bulbs that keep roots during dormancy and those that have roots that dry up and are replaced with new growth. Lycoris definitely grow in damp positions. I have seen them growing along the banks of small streams and places that are nearly swampy. They are not plants of open sunny or dry areas although some species seem to be more tolerant of these conditions. GROWING SEASON - another thorny question. Here in central North America, the traditional growing season is follwoing and before winter, the ‘dormant seasson’. In my growing season from about April to Oct we have regular summer rains and dry period in between. The Mecditerranean ‘Growing Season’ is quite different and I have too little experience to comment, but it is qute different from mine. I assume bulbs can adapt to the specifics of their growing conditions, but only within limits. These growing llimits seem sufficiently tight enough that Amaryllis and Lycoris will not grow side by side in the same location. Mostly. Best Jim W. On Sep 7, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Michael Mace wrote: A couple of thoughts about Jim's notes on A. belladonna: > Grow in full sun Depends on how much sun you have, but they definitely prefer a lot of light. Here in sunny California they are OK in part sun. But they're not the sort of things you'd usually grow in the deep shade of a large tree. > Bulbs BAKE prior to bloom Meaning their natural climate is dry most of the summer, although their part of South Africa does get a bit of occasional rain and fog in summer. I think some of our Aussie friends have reported that they actually bloom a bit better when they get a thunderstorm or two in summer, and here in California they definitely thrive better on the cool coast than they do far inland where there's no summer fog. When grown in pots (large pots only), they need light summer moisture so the roots don't dry out. > Bulbs dry during the annual growing season Depends on what you mean by "growing season." They are dry in the blooming season, but they need rainfall when in leaf, winter-spring. Hope that helps. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Fri, 08 Sep 2017 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <221c29b9-45ae-1acc-13f7-2b00c0ef48bb@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:04:16 -0700 In the latest issue of our native plant bulletin the President wrote: "Many of us get a kick out of the appearance of naked ladies, Amaryllis belladonna, and this year the intense pink is pretty powerful. This South African plant should not be allowed to establish in natural areas. It reproduces easily both by offsets and by seeds and has become a weed in Western Australia, which has a climate similar to ours. This year you can see it in places where it clearly was not planted." I thought seeds generally fell close to the plants. Here in northern coastal California people plant Amaryllis belladonna is great numbers and when it increases a lot they dig it up and share it with others. So I am wondering whether it is true that it appears where it was not planted. Does anyone know if birds transport seeds? She is correct that this year's flowering has been impressive. Even in my shady garden more have been in flower than usual. On a sunny hillside above our town a lot have been planted and this year even more are about to be planted in the same location. I've added photos of these plants in the past to the wiki. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis some of the August 2014 photos I am attaching one of my husband's recent photos that gives you an idea of how many there are. One of my friends says looking from a distance you can almost make out a face with a big smile. They obviously don't usually get summer rainfall from about sometime in May until maybe October or November, but temperatures are mild, not hot, and there can be a fair amount of summer fog. Mary Sue -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for your help, Jim Salyards ____________________________ Head of Horticulture Internship Program Coordinator Filoli 86 Cañada Road Woodside, CA 94062 (650) 364-8300, x223 (650) 366-7836 FAX www.Filoli.org A property of the National Trust for Historic Preservation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Friday, September 8, 2017, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Perhaps a Cyrtanthus hybrid... > > > -| > > ________________________________ > From: pbs > on > behalf of Jim Salyards > > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 1:44 PM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Bulb Identification > > Hello, > > I'm in need of help identifying this bulb flower. It was purchased as a > cut flower from the SF Flower Mart. The stem was approximately 12"; the > flowers 2-3". It looked very much like a miniature amaryllis. > > Thank you for your help, > > Jim Salyards > > ____________________________ > > Head of Horticulture > > Internship Program Coordinator > > Filoli > > 86 Cañada Road > > Woodside, CA 94062 > > (650) 364-8300, x223 > > (650) 366-7836 FAX > > www.Filoli.org > > A property of the National Trust for Historic Preservation > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Mystery bulb.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 71693 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170908/337ab069/attachment.jpe> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the > world. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > -- ____________________________ Head of Horticulture Internship Program Coordinator Filoli 86 Cañada Road Woodside, CA 94062 (650) 364-8300, x223 (650) 366-7836 FAX www.Filoli.org A property of the National Trust for Historic Preservation _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2017 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <0DF47B96-9F46-43D5-AF60-EBC8EF2965B0@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:10:00 -0700 I don't know about natural seeding, but I have observed some bulbs spread by California gardeners who have too much in their gardens, fill up a wheelbarrow and trundle the plants to the empty land over the way. I'm not denigrating only California gardeners - it happens here, too, though the plants are different. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada On 2017-09-08, at 11:04 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > I thought seeds generally fell close to the plants. Here in northern coastal California people plant Amaryllis belladonna is great numbers and when it increases a lot they dig it up and share it with others. So I am wondering whether it is true that it appears where it was not planted. Does anyone know if birds transport seeds? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Fri, 08 Sep 2017 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Lycoris albiflora and DNA analysis (Tony Avent) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 00:46:04 +0100 Tony Avent sent the following message and it got filtered... =========================================================== Nicholas; We have reviewed several dozen Lycoris DNA papers, and some differ quite dramatically in their results. We also currently grow well over 500 different clones of lycoris, which has formed the basis of our studies into the genus. In a nutshell, there are four names for hybrids of Lycoris radiata and one of the two orange/yellow species (L. aurea and L. chinensis). All F1 hybrids with fall-leaf species will have fall leaves, even crosses with a spring leaf species. L. x albiflora L. x elsiae L. x houdyshelii L. x straminea All of the DNA tests show that L. x elsiae is L. radiata x aurea Pretty much all of the DNA tests (except Shu) show that both L. x houdyshelii and L. x straminea are two names for the same cross of L. radiata x chinensis). L. x straminea is the earliest published name and would take precedent over L. x houdyshelii. Shu determined one parent to be L. longituba, with which we disagree. We grow several clones of each, many from controlled crosses, and the flowering times of all of the L. chinensis x radiata hybrids range from late July through mid-August, which makes sense since L. chinensis blooms much earlier than L. aurea. All of the L. x elsiae hybrids all flower in early September, coinciding perfectly with the flowering of L. aurea and L. radiata L. x albiflora is still a mystery. Most of the DNA tests show it to be L. radiata x aurea, while a few other show rather odd results (see below). We suspect these odd results occurred due to misidentified testing material. radiata v. pumila x aurea (Makino 1943) radiata var pumila x aurea (traubii)(Inariyama 1944) radiata var. pumila x aurea (Takuemura 1962) radiata var. pumila x aurea (Caldwell 1981) radiata var. radiata x traubii (Kurita 1987) radiata v. pumila x aurea (Furuta etal 1989) x rosea x chinensis (Lin 1990) (plants in the trade are not this parentage – ta) chinensis x sprengeri (Shi, Qui, Li, Wu, Fu 2006) (plants in the trade are not this parentage – ta) aurea (traubii) x sanguinea (Inariyama 1932,33,37) (plants in the trade are not this parentage – ta) If it turns out that L. aurea is one parent of L. x albiflora, then the name L. x albiflora would supersede L. x elsiae due to an earlier publication date. If the second parent turns out to be L. chinensis, the L. x albiflora name would become a synonym of the earlier published L. x straminea. The parentage of L. x caldwellii is also wrong. It is L. longituba x L. chinensis. We grow nearly a dozen clones of L. sprengeri x chinensis hybrids, and this isn’t one. Tony Avent Proprietor tony@jlbg.org Juniper Level Botanic Garden and Plant Delights Nursery Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World’s Flora” -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Lycoris albiflora and DNA analysis (Tony Avent) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:40:23 -0400 Thank you, Tony, for that very informative reply. Here is a photo of my plant, assuming I manage to successfully attach a photo to the list. I think it looks a lot like the L. x Elsiae on the PDN website. I'm looking forward to a visiting the open house tomorrow. Hope to see some interesting Lycoris! Nick On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:46 PM, David Pilling wrote: > Tony Avent sent the following message and it got filtered... > > =========================================================== > > Nicholas; > > > > We have reviewed several dozen Lycoris DNA papers, and some differ quite > dramatically in their results. We also currently grow well over 500 > different clones of lycoris, which has formed the basis of our studies into > the genus. > > > > In a nutshell, there are four names for hybrids of Lycoris radiata and one > of the two orange/yellow species (L. aurea and L. chinensis). All F1 > hybrids with fall-leaf species will have fall leaves, even crosses with a > spring leaf species. > (snip) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tony Avent Proprietor ======================================================================= -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 08 Sep 2017 20:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:42:15 -0400 I no longer live in an area where Amaryllis belladonna grows easily. I have it in my garden in Phoenix, Arizona, where it just survives. I need to water it several times each summer, or it dies. I have tried watering it weekly through the summer to see whether this would lead to flowers. I get flowers very rarely. I don't have any idea why it sometimes chooses to flower. I have read flowers are actually produced years in advance of their emergence, and thus reflect care in years past. I don't know whether this is true. When in my teens I lived in Orange County, California, a Mediterranean climate, with absolutely no warm-season rain during the years I passed there. Though I was young, I looked carefully. I never saw any seedlings sprout under any plants of this species. Later I experienced the climate in San Francisco for four years. I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than extremely rarely, let alone invasive. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4f91be1e-9a81-c330-67f0-8181021d2fff@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 11:14:49 -0700 Leo wrote, "I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than extremely rarely, let alone invasive." One sees a colonies of Amaryllis on roadsides in coastal California, but I think they probably got there when soil or garden debris containing bulbs was dumped intentionally or deposited by heavy equipment that had picked it up from cultivated places. It reminds me of a colony of Kniphofia a Forest Service botanist told me about, which she had found growing at 4000 feet elevation in Mt. Hood National Forest. We speculated that it had reached there in the treads of logging equipment, which is also how Scotch broom is spread in these forests. After logging, the forest understory is usually severely damaged or even eliminated (especially if herbicide is applied to eliminate competition for the seedling conifers that will be planted, a common practice on private forest), and the same is true of maintained roadsides.  There is or used to be a well-known population of Iris douglasiana, a coastal species, on a freeway bank east of Portland, quite distant from its normal range, that probably came via equipment; it was hybridizing with locally native I. tenax, a cross that can create some beautiful evergreen but extra-hardy cultivars. We will soon have an unhappy opportunity to see how heavily used forests beside an interstate freeway regrow, thanks to the criminal idiot who started the Eagle Creek fire by throwing fireworks off a trail. It has burnt about 35,000 acres so far and is not nearly controlled. The air here is heavy with smoke and even ash. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 09 Sep 2017 15:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <15e689f292d-c08-568d5@webjas-vae102.srv.aolmail.net> From: ", via pbs" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 17:50:15 -0400 I have a rather large stretch of Amaryllis belladonna along our driveway and it blooms every year. We've lived here 20 years and I don't think we have watered it 10 times. It blooms every year and does spread itself by reseeding. I'm sure it would probably re-seed itself faster if we gave it water. We are located in Los Gatos CA, part of Silicon Valley. when we lived in So CA right by the ocean, same thing, there was a large patch near us, in our neighbor's yard and it was behind the garage where it never got watered. -----Original Message----- From: Jane McGary To: oooOIOooo via pbs Sent: Sat, Sep 9, 2017 11:14 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna Leo wrote,"I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than extremely rarely, let alone invasive."One sees a colonies of Amaryllis on roadsides in coastal California, but I think they probably got there when soil or garden debris containing bulbs was dumped intentionally or deposited by heavy equipment that had picked it up from cultivated places. It reminds me of a colony of Kniphofia a Forest Service botanist told me about, which she had found growing at 4000 feet elevation in Mt. Hood National Forest. We speculated that it had reached there in the treads of logging equipment, which is also how Scotch broom is spread in these forests. After logging, the forest understory is usually severely damaged or even eliminated (especially if herbicide is applied to eliminate competition for the seedling conifers that will be planted, a common practice on private forest), and the same is true of maintained roadsides. There is or used to be a well-known population of Iris douglasiana, a coastal species, on a freeway bank east of Portland, quite distant from its normal range, that probably came via equipment; it was hybridizing with locally native I. tenax, a cross that can create some beautiful evergreen but extra-hardy cultivars.We will soon have an unhappy opportunity to see how heavily used forests beside an interstate freeway regrow, thanks to the criminal idiot who started the Eagle Creek fire by throwing fireworks off a trail. It has burnt about 35,000 acres so far and is not nearly controlled. The air here is heavy with smoke and even ash.Jane McGaryPortland, Oregon, USA_______________________________________________pbs mailing listpbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.nethttp://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sat, 09 Sep 2017 15:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 22:01:58 +0000 Also, in Texas odd roadside colonies of plants sometimes appear that look as though they are the "backyard remnants" of vegetation that are the only features left after roadside homes years ago were displaced as roads were widened several times over the years. Here in Texas we can see this phenomenon in the case of the white-flowered Cemetery iris, I. albicans. This is a seed sterile plant, supposed to have come to Spain from North Africa historically, and then to Texas. So how can it appear along roadways out in the middle of nowhere? I think in some cases it too was pushed along or driven around by heavy machinery. It helps that it can live with little moisture and that nothing seems to want to eat it. Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > > Leo wrote, > > "I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than extremely rarely, let alone invasive." > > One sees a colonies of Amaryllis on roadsides in coastal California, but I think they probably got there when soil or garden debris containing bulbs was dumped intentionally or deposited by heavy equipment that had picked it up from cultivated places. It reminds me of a colony of Kniphofia a Forest Service botanist told me about, which she had found growing at 4000 feet elevation in Mt. Hood National Forest. We speculated that it had reached there in the treads of logging equipment, which is also how Scotch broom is spread in these forests. After logging, the forest understory is usually severely damaged or even eliminated (especially if herbicide is applied to eliminate competition for the seedling conifers that will be planted, a common practice on private forest), and the same is true of maintained roadsides. There is or used to be a well-known population of Iris douglasiana, a coastal species, on a freeway bank east of Portland, quite distant from its normal range, that probab ly came via equipment; it was hybridizing with locally native I. tenax, a cross that can create some beautiful evergreen but extra-hardy cultivars. > > We will soon have an unhappy opportunity to see how heavily used forests beside an interstate freeway regrow, thanks to the criminal idiot who started the Eagle Creek fire by throwing fireworks off a trail. It has burnt about 35,000 acres so far and is not nearly controlled. The air here is heavy with smoke and even ash. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2017 01:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <287601d32a05$901b7d00$b0527700$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 00:22:29 -0700 Leo wrote: >I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. Nah, it'll grow from seed here without supplemental water. >I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than extremely rarely, let alone invasive. I agree. The seeds are far too heavy to spread on their own, and birds don't touch them (I'm in an area where birds plant oaks everywhere, but nothing like that happens with Amaryllis, and I have hundreds of bulbs). Considering how long the species has been popular in California, if it were going to run wild it would have done so already. I suspect the "invasive" Amaryllis were spread by two-footed animals. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sun, 10 Sep 2017 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: surprise Hymenocallis (Cynthia Mueller - old list post) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:48:44 +0100 Forwarded from the old list - (see picture in the link below) ======================================================================= I've had a surprise Hymenocallis bloom today from a small seedling I had thought to be a dwarfish crinum, struggling to live under its neighbors for some years. Appears to be a seed sent to me by Marcelle Sheppard. It seems quite unusual in structure to me. Hope someone can identify it if it's a recognizable species or hybrid. - CM, Central Texas -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HymenofrMarcSeed.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1344500 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Mon, 11 Sep 2017 07:17:11 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: small mystery hymenocallis Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:41:46 -0400 i wonder whether it will stay small. The hymenocallis my neighbors plant on their driveway strips in Mexico are big, somewhat sprawly things. The little one is gorgeous. Jane Sargent, Massachuetts and Quintana Roo On 11/09/2017 07:00 a. m., pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. surprise Hymenocallis (Cynthia Mueller - old list post) > (David Pilling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:48:44 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] surprise Hymenocallis (Cynthia Mueller - old list post) > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Forwarded from the old list - (see picture in the link below) > > ======================================================================= > I've had a surprise Hymenocallis bloom today from a small seedling I had > thought to be a dwarfish crinum, struggling to live under its neighbors > for some years. Appears to be a seed sent to me by Marcelle Sheppard. > It seems quite unusual in structure to me. Hope someone can identify it > if it's a recognizable species or hybrid. - CM, Central Texas > > > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From evan.eifler@gmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Evan Eifler Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:25:38 +0200 Hello again everyone, I just wanted to post an initial update for my fieldwork in South Africa. *To see photos, please visit the lab note of my crowd funding campaign: https://experiment.com/u/YxskgQ * Although I have only been in the country for a few days and most of that time has been spent organizing and getting settled,* I have already found two species of Geissorhiza within the city limits of Cape Town*. One, G. imbricata subsp. imbricata, I found in Rondebosch Common. Rondebosch Common, located in the Southern Suburbs of Cape Town, has had a variety of human uses in the past including military camps and cricket pitches. At first glance it may appear to be an abandoned weedy field in the middle of the suburbs, but it is in fact one of the last remaining fragments of Cape Flats Sand Fynbos, a critically endangered vegetation type found nowhere else on earth. Despite invasion by some alien species, the commons maintains a great wealth of plant diversity including G. imbricata subsp. imbricata. G. imbricata is one of the most variable and least taxonomically understood species of Geissorhiza and was once considered three separate species but has since been assigned to two subspecies each in their own area with a gradient of forms between them. As long as I can find other examples of the other forms, I should be able to figure out if there is some hybridization going on here (as seems to be the case). It sounds to me like this group may be what's known as a "hybrid swarm." The other species I was able to find thus far is G. juncea, a relatively common species found in damp sandy habitats around the Cape Peninsula. I found it on the south-facing slope of Lion's Head, just outside the central business district of Cape Town which is also home to a great wealth of geophytic species including the red Chasmanthe in the foreground. *I'd like to thank those of you who have pledged a donation to my crowdfunding campaign already and also invite anyone else who is interested to visit my project page at https://experiment.com/projects/geissorhiza-an-evolutionary-case-study-in-the-cape-floristic-region . * And, if you'd like to see more photos of my fieldwork, consider following my Instagram account @evaneifler Enjoy! Evan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From Chad.Schroter@wdc.com Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Chad Schroter Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:56:07 +0000 I have Amaryllis belladonna and hybrids 'naturalizing' in my un-watered back yard, they don't grow as quickly... The seeds being big and round seem capable of rolling on the surface, and I have seen several sites where it appears they have spread downward from some original plants at the top of the hill. The most spectacular of these is below the ruins of Waterfall house on the sea cliffs at Julia Pfeiffer State Park I Big Sur. Chad -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Michael Mace Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:22 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna Leo wrote: >I believe the cool-season rains in California are neither regular >enough, nor plentiful enough, for Amaryllis belladonna to grow from seed without intentional watering by a gardener. Nah, it'll grow from seed here without supplemental water. >I cannot imagine it would become established on its own more than >extremely rarely, let alone invasive. I agree. The seeds are far too heavy to spread on their own, and birds don't touch them (I'm in an area where birds plant oaks everywhere, but nothing like that happens with Amaryllis, and I have hundreds of bulbs). Considering how long the species has been popular in California, if it were going to run wild it would have done so already. I suspect the "invasive" Amaryllis were spread by two-footed animals. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Western Digital Corporation (and its subsidiaries) E-mail Confidentiality Notice & Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or legally privileged information of WDC and/or its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail in its entirety from your system. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From tiede@pacbell.net Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <097101d32b5c$d48c81c0$7da58540$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:19:41 -0700 The book arrived today! The Amaryllidaceae of Southern Africa, Graham Duncan, Barbara Jeppe, Leigh Voigt. So pleased and excited to take some time and read through it. The illustrations are lovely, the ink odor doesn't attack my sinuses like so many new books, and the text is readable without a magnifier. I know I am going to learn way more than I expected. Thank you for making it available easily in the USA. Love it! Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Mon, 11 Sep 2017 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <112F697C-0560-4224-9C87-9F86ACA8BE51@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:28:19 -0700 I got mine a few weeks ago and I completely agree with Bracey. But now what I really really really want is a book just like this one, but of the Amaryllidaceae of South America! (Actually, of all the geophytes of Latin America, but even one of only Amaryllidaceae would be fantastic.) --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > > The book arrived today! The Amaryllidaceae of Southern Africa, Graham > Duncan, Barbara Jeppe, Leigh Voigt. > > > > So pleased and excited to take some time and read through it. The > illustrations are lovely, the ink odor doesn't attack my sinuses like so > many new books, and the text is readable without a magnifier. I know I am > going to learn way more than I expected. > > > > Thank you for making it available easily in the USA. Love it! > > > > Cheers, > > Bracey > > San Jose CA > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From alciemaxwell@gmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2017 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alcie Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:05:44 -0500 I got mine yesterday as well. That book is awesome. I am so grateful that the PBS higher ups found a way to make this book available. Now, who's writing one for South America... Haha! On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > I got mine a few weeks ago and I completely agree with Bracey. > > But now what I really really really want is a book just like this one, but > of the Amaryllidaceae of South America! (Actually, of all the geophytes of > Latin America, but even one of only Amaryllidaceae would be fantastic.) > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > > > > The book arrived today! The Amaryllidaceae of Southern Africa, Graham > > Duncan, Barbara Jeppe, Leigh Voigt. > > > > > > > > So pleased and excited to take some time and read through it. The > > illustrations are lovely, the ink odor doesn't attack my sinuses like so > > many new books, and the text is readable without a magnifier. I know I am > > going to learn way more than I expected. > > > > > > > > Thank you for making it available easily in the USA. Love it! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bracey > > > > San Jose CA > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bruceandjill.schroder@gmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bruce Schroder Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:22:35 +1000 I was lucky enough to get my copy of the Book late last year being one of a number of early subscribers here in Australia and even got my name in print for the privilege of doing so. It has been very well thumbed since! It compliments a number of other books I have on South African bulbs but like Lee, I yearn for a comprehensive reference on South American bulbous species, particularly Amaryllidaceae. Unlike the other South African bulb books the Amaryllidaceae book compliments, there appears to be nothing at all from South or Latin America. Seems to me, you have a lot of accumulated knowledge yourself Lee - how about it! Bruce Schroder, Melbourne, Australia _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <03c6db23-e933-cafa-ccb2-6cec8b0497f8@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Saffron, Possibly Replacing Opium in Afghanistan Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:39:42 -0400 Nice BBC article about saffron growing / selling in Afghanistan. And Iran. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41110151 Judy in the Garden State where colchicum are beginning to flower and Rhodophiala are making new roots (as I discovered when repotting today) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6CF3579D-34BE-45A0-8845-B621D6856E24@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:27:10 -0700 I’m no botanist. But what I have been doing for the past several years is occasionally dropping not-subtle-at-all hints and comments from time to time on pertinent posts Alan Meerow puts on his Facebook account, that a book like this needs to be written! Initially, Alan would sometimes reply that it wasn’t of enough general interest to sell sufficient quantities for any publishing company, like Timber Press for example, to be interested in publishing it. More recently however, his grumbling replies have been more in the direction that such a book would be so big that it will have to wait until retirement. (So ...!) We know a handful of people who are South American who have been attempting to get books of this type written and published, especially on the topic of Hippeastrum species. Like many of us, most of them have day jobs that keep them busy, so it takes them longer to make progress. Also, via Facebook, there are starting to be serious and growing groups of native Latin Americans pursuing certain genera/families of bulbous species, collecting and sharing seeds and trying to increase awareness of the rarer species of Latin America, all in Spanish for a change. The Tigridia group especially seems to be flourishing—and it’s almost becoming a Latin American Irids group more than just the Tigridia cultivars and species group it started out as. I would love to ask some of them who are posting photos of things I’ve never seen before to possibly allow their photos to be added to the PBS wiki/encyclopedia. (Like I recently saw photos of a pure yellow Leontochir (Alstroemeria) ovallei taken in the current spectacular flowering of the Atacama Desert this year.) --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Bruce Schroder wrote: > > I was lucky enough to get my copy of the Book late last year being one of a > number of early subscribers here in Australia and even got my name in print > for the privilege of doing so. It has been very well thumbed since! It > compliments a number of other books I have on South African bulbs but like > Lee, I yearn for a comprehensive reference on South American bulbous > species, particularly Amaryllidaceae. Unlike the other South African bulb > books the Amaryllidaceae book compliments, there appears to be nothing at > all from South or Latin America. > Seems to me, you have a lot of accumulated knowledge yourself Lee - how > about it! > > Bruce Schroder, Melbourne, Australia > _______________________________________________ --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ramato2210@gmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: romain amato Subject: Pseudogaltonia clavata seeds Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:09:34 +0200 Hello I've some freshly harvested seeds of Pseudogaltonia clavata from my mother plant for swap. I'm looking for other Hyacintaceae or Amaryllidaceae seeds. Send me propositions on my mail ramato2210@gmail.com. Thanks Romain Amato, France _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <65870451.1067255.1505301632789@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 425" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Fred Thorne: (BULBS. There is only ONE share of some items.) 1. Moraea tripetala 2. Muscari armeniacum 3. Narcissus 'Nylon' 4. Nerine masonorum 5. Nerine bowdenii 6. Ornithogalum schmalhausenii, ex Ruksans (O. balansae) 7. Ornithogalum umbellatum , "star of Bethlehem" 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 10. Oxalis flava, yellow 11. Oxalis imbricata 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 14. Rhodophiala bifida 15. Scilla siberica 16. Strumaria tenella 17. Tristagma 'Rolf Fiedler' 18. Veltheimia bracteata 19. Zephyranthes candida 20. Zephyranthes citrina 21. Zephyranthes minima 22. Zephyranthes 'Prairie Sunset' 23. Zephyranthes primulina 24. Zephyranthes reginae 25. Zephyranthes smallii 26. Zephyranthes 'Tenexio Apricot' 27. Zephyranthes grandiflora (Z. minuta) Thank you, Fred !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Best wishes, _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <427c1af9-a371-6022-0847-8137485a8c7c@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Saffron, Possibly Replacing Opium in Afghanistan Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:30:06 +0100 On 13/09/2017 03:39, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Nice BBC article about saffron growing / selling in Afghanistan. And Iran. Here in the North West of England my saffron crocus are just appearing. I doubt they will flower. Stories about commercial saffron growing come round every year. The other tale is that it is a single cultivated clone which no one knows the origin of. Maybe the market is not big enough for someone to genetically engineer a plant that grows easily and produces lots of saffron. The BBC did a good programme "The Spice Trail" [1] one episode of which featured saffron cultivation - looked like hard labour. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1r2M2YK9wg [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spice_Trail -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From russell@odysseybulbs.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants" Subject: Saffron, Possibly Replacing Opium in Afghanistan Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:51:59 -0400 While it's true that mass-market saffron is dominated by one clone, numerous genotypes and phenotypes occur in cultivation. Some are very floriferous. No genetic engineering necessarily required! https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-009-9946-z Russell At 07:30 AM 9/13/2017, you wrote: >On 13/09/2017 03:39, Judy Glattstein wrote: >>Nice BBC article about saffron growing / selling in Afghanistan. And Iran. > >Here in the North West of England my saffron crocus are just >appearing. I doubt they will flower. > >Stories about commercial saffron growing come round every year. The >other tale is that it is a single cultivated clone which no one >knows the origin of. > >Maybe the market is not big enough for someone to genetically >engineer a plant that grows easily and produces lots of saffron. >David Pilling >www.davidpilling.com >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Russell Stafford Odyssey Bulbs PO Box 382 South Lancaster, MA 01561 508-335-8106 russell@odysseybulbs.com www.odysseybulbs.com www.facebook.com/odysseybulbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:14:37 +0000 Hi Dell, Could I get the following: 1. Moraea tripetala 4. Nerine masonorum 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 10. Oxalis flava, yellow 11. Oxalis imbricata 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 16. Strumaria tenella 17. Tristagma 'Rolf Fiedler' 18. Veltheimia bracteata 19. Zephyranthes candida 20. Zephyranthes citrina 21. Zephyranthes minima 22. Zephyranthes 'Prairie Sunset' 23. Zephyranthes primulina 24. Zephyranthes reginae 25. Zephyranthes smallii 26. Zephyranthes 'Tenexio Apricot' 27. Zephyranthes grandiflora (Z. minuta) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:15:45 +0000 Whoops! Too quick on the draw there, sorry for the spam everyone. On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM Cody H wrote: > Hi Dell, > > Could I get the following: > > 1. Moraea tripetala > 4. Nerine masonorum > 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac > 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 > 10. Oxalis flava, yellow > 11. Oxalis imbricata > 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow > 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 > 16. Strumaria tenella > 17. Tristagma 'Rolf Fiedler' > 18. Veltheimia bracteata > 19. Zephyranthes candida > 20. Zephyranthes citrina > 21. Zephyranthes minima > 22. Zephyranthes 'Prairie Sunset' > 23. Zephyranthes primulina > 24. Zephyranthes reginae > 25. Zephyranthes smallii > 26. Zephyranthes 'Tenexio Apricot' > 27. Zephyranthes grandiflora (Z. minuta) > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:30:47 -1000 Hi Lee, If you get permission and gather these photos, just drop them into a cloud storage space or email them to me and I can put them on the Wiki. We'd need information about locality or who grew them of course. Nhu On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > I would love to ask some of them who are posting photos of things I’ve > never seen before to possibly allow their photos to be added to the PBS > wiki/encyclopedia. (Like I recently saw photos of a pure yellow Leontochir > (Alstroemeria) ovallei taken in the current spectacular flowering of the > Atacama Desert this year.) > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl Thu, 14 Sep 2017 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ben Zonneveld Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 14 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:23:45 +0200 A well equipped dutch grower tried a few years ago to set up saffron cultures in Afganistan. He failed, mainly because growing opium was much more profitable! Ben Zonneveld 2017-09-14 13:00 GMT+02:00 : > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Saffron, Possibly Replacing Opium in Afghanistan > (Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants) > 2. Re: Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 (Cody H) > 3. Re: Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 (Cody H) > 4. Re: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) (Nhu Nguyen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:51:59 -0400 > From: "Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants" > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron, Possibly Replacing Opium in Afghanistan > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > While it's true that mass-market saffron is dominated by one clone, > numerous genotypes and phenotypes occur in cultivation. Some are > very floriferous. No genetic engineering necessarily required! > > https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-009-9946-z > > Russell > > At 07:30 AM 9/13/2017, you wrote: > >On 13/09/2017 03:39, Judy Glattstein wrote: > >>Nice BBC article about saffron growing / selling in Afghanistan. And > Iran. > > > >Here in the North West of England my saffron crocus are just > >appearing. I doubt they will flower. > > > >Stories about commercial saffron growing come round every year. The > >other tale is that it is a single cultivated clone which no one > >knows the origin of. > > > >Maybe the market is not big enough for someone to genetically > >engineer a plant that grows easily and produces lots of saffron. > >David Pilling > >www.davidpilling.com > >_______________________________________________ > >pbs mailing list > >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Russell Stafford > Odyssey Bulbs > PO Box 382 > South Lancaster, MA 01561 > 508-335-8106 > russell@odysseybulbs.com > www.odysseybulbs.com > www.facebook.com/odysseybulbs > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:14:37 +0000 > From: Cody H > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 > Message-ID: > mDP2+hhxw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Dell, > > Could I get the following: > > 1. Moraea tripetala > 4. Nerine masonorum > 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac > 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 > 10. Oxalis flava, yellow > 11. Oxalis imbricata > 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow > 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 > 16. Strumaria tenella > 17. Tristagma 'Rolf Fiedler' > 18. Veltheimia bracteata > 19. Zephyranthes candida > 20. Zephyranthes citrina > 21. Zephyranthes minima > 22. Zephyranthes 'Prairie Sunset' > 23. Zephyranthes primulina > 24. Zephyranthes reginae > 25. Zephyranthes smallii > 26. Zephyranthes 'Tenexio Apricot' > 27. Zephyranthes grandiflora (Z. minuta) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:15:45 +0000 > From: Cody H > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 425 > Message-ID: > De1A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Whoops! Too quick on the draw there, sorry for the spam everyone. > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM Cody H wrote: > > > Hi Dell, > > > > Could I get the following: > > > > 1. Moraea tripetala > > 4. Nerine masonorum > > 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac > > 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 > > 10. Oxalis flava, yellow > > 11. Oxalis imbricata > > 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow > > 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 > > 16. Strumaria tenella > > 17. Tristagma 'Rolf Fiedler' > > 18. Veltheimia bracteata > > 19. Zephyranthes candida > > 20. Zephyranthes citrina > > 21. Zephyranthes minima > > 22. Zephyranthes 'Prairie Sunset' > > 23. Zephyranthes primulina > > 24. Zephyranthes reginae > > 25. Zephyranthes smallii > > 26. Zephyranthes 'Tenexio Apricot' > > 27. Zephyranthes grandiflora (Z. minuta) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:30:47 -1000 > From: Nhu Nguyen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Lee, > > If you get permission and gather these photos, just drop them into a cloud > storage space or email them to me and I can put them on the Wiki. We'd need > information about locality or who grew them of course. > > Nhu > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Lee Poulsen > wrote: > > > I would love to ask some of them who are posting photos of things I?ve > > never seen before to possibly allow their photos to be added to the PBS > > wiki/encyclopedia. (Like I recently saw photos of a pure yellow > Leontochir > > (Alstroemeria) ovallei taken in the current spectacular flowering of the > > Atacama Desert this year.) > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 14 > ********************************** > -- BJM Zonneveld Naturalis, Herbarium section Postbox 9517 Vondellaan 55, 2300RA Leiden The Netherlands Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl , telf 071-7517228 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1681736370.2237959.1505420954062@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific BX 425 CLOSED Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From 59eriver@gmail.com Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Dan <59eriver@gmail.com> Subject: Iris 2017 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:17:20 -0400 Iris 2017 For Iris fans, read on, others may delete. In my coastal zone 8 swamp the Louisianas NEVER go dormant. The best you can do is “clean up” the clump in fall. I had a gallon pot of “Jack Attack” cover a 6 by 6 foot area in a year. One rhizome having 36-40 fans. I hacked away this fall and left a small blooming sized clump. The rest planted a 30 foot section of one of the many lakes around here. I made special pure blue and dark purple crosses, look for them at the seed exchange. I just finished reading a gardener’s book (as you do) and ask that you don’t do what he did. He moved into a new neighborhood and was welcomed by an elderly gardener bearing a shoebox full of Viola tricolor. Oh no! he told her, we throw those away by the shovel full, instantly realizing what he had done. My point: A member of one of my garden clubs admired one of my JIs, Royal Robes. She had a Louisiana I wanted, Clyde Redmond. We arranged the trade for our next meeting. I hacked out a rhizome from the JI and potted it up in a one gallon. Right away it sent up a new fan, by the time of the meeting it was full grown. I like to give fair value, plants and seed exchange, so I was happy. She gave me a piece of blooming stalk, about 18”, with an inch and a half piece of rhizome. Thank you. I planted it, and immediately a full size fan grows. By fall, 6 huge fans, growing all winter. By spring this was a thing of beauty, covered in huge flat sky blue saucers, all from that tiny bit of protoplasm. I had 2 rhizomes of a 60 year old virginica clone I planted last fall. It had a very long blooming period, about a month. I said I didn’t need 2 plants of it, but noooo…..It was 2 giant clumps facing me this fall. One was crowding out other iris so I put the shovel under it and it didn’t budge. Eventually it split into 3 huge clumps which I planted at a little cove by a lake. All that from one piece of rhizome a year ago. I have a virginica that routinely reaches 6 to 7 feet tall, with gravity the only thing stopping its growth, with the leaves so long that they start to snap in half. This one is another evergreen, with huge pearlescent lavender blooms. I had some mature pods so look for these seeds here, also if those sell out I have a couple of more maturing pods. This is however, definitely a southern iris. I hybridized this plant with everything that was blooming, a siberica, a versicolor, a Louisiana and also pseudacorus. Only one pod matured on that scape, and when mature, the seeds were the same shape and plumpness of the bee crosses, but only only half the size. Not knowing if these seeds are viable, I didn’t want to send them in. I am hoping I get a crazy interspecies cross. The boggy acidic seed bed has exceeded all expectations. I planted species and crosses of laevagita, ensata, virginica, versicolor and some “white” pseudacorus. After a season’s growth some have 6 – 8 full sized fans and are 24 + inches tall. These healthy vigorous beauties will bloom next spring. Our Region 4 Iris meeting is in October in Raleigh/Durham N.C. I potted up divisions of all my species Iris as I divided them, and will take these with me to benefit the plant sales/auctions. We hosted the Nationals last year for the American Hemerocallis society, and that took up all my time and a week’s vacation. I missed several important Iris gatherings, and now that I did my duty to my Hemerocallis club I plan to devote next year to the iris societies. In closing, I am always looking for blue Native American Iris, missouriensis, cristata, versicolors and virginicas, Louisianas…Please send your extra seeds in, I for one will buy them. I sent some bulbils for a future exchange, 60 year old Lilium lancifolium, 8 feet tall, remember that species is immune to some virus that are devastating to other Lily species. Also an "Orientpet" Lily, green bulbils, it reached 7 feet this year. View the photos at my facebook album for our group: https://www.facebook.com/karl.dan.50/media_set?set=a.1449203295099845.1073741849.100000305649825&type=3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0311.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4001152 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garak@code-garak.de Sat, 16 Sep 2017 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Garak Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 08:01:44 +0200 Hi, I'm actually a bit sad to hear that there is an active tigridia group on FB - another hefty blow to my resistance against the evil kraken. All I can hope is that some things will leak here or elsewhere in the free web :-( But I totally agree that there should be more books like this Amaryllidaceae book - the perfect blend between classic botanical descriptions and cultivation hints. definitely a must have if one is even remotely interested in SA's amaryllids. All I'd need now is a pocket book or Ebook version to read on the train to work. Am 13.09.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Lee Poulsen: > Also, via Facebook, there are starting to be serious and growing groups of native Latin Americans pursuing certain genera/families of bulbous species, collecting and sharing seeds and trying to increase awareness of the rarer species of Latin America, all in Spanish for a change. The Tigridia group especially seems to be flourishing—and it’s almost becoming a Latin American Irids group more than just the Tigridia cultivars and species group it started out as. I would love to ask some of them who are posting photos of things I’ve never seen before to possibly allow their photos to be added to the PBS wiki/encyclopedia. (Like I recently saw photos of a pure yellow Leontochir (Alstroemeria) ovallei taken in the current spectacular flowering of the Atacama Desert this year.) -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <651066378.1200952.1505677159717@mail.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: BrazilPlants? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Is Mauro Peixoto still in business? I've been trying unsuccessfully to reach him by email for 2 months without a reply, so I'm wondering now whats going on. I'm pretty sure I've got the right email. Does anyone know? Thanks, Rick Buell _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From shane.simonsen@hotmail.com Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shane Simonsen Subject: BrazilPlants? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:18:40 +0000 I get the impression he travels a lot for field work. He sent me an order a few months ago but it took a while to get a response. Shane -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Rick Buell via pbs Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:39 To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: Rick Buell Subject: [pbs] BrazilPlants? Is Mauro Peixoto still in business? I've been trying unsuccessfully to reach him by email for 2 months without a reply, so I'm wondering now whats going on. I'm pretty sure I've got the right email. Does anyone know? Thanks, Rick Buell _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janjeddeloh@gmail.com Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:17:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jan Jeddeloh Subject: Iris 2017 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 20:17:32 -0700 Karl, if you actually want anyone to read what you have to say you need to use paragraphs! You may have something to say but nobody is going to wade through your post as written. I tried and found it impenetrable. So divide up your post, edit it and maybe you’ll get some replies. Jan Jeddeloh > On Sep 15, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Karl Dan <59eriver@gmail.com> wrote: > > Iris 2017 > For Iris fans, read on, others may delete. In my coastal zone 8 swamp > the Louisianas NEVER go dormant. The best you can do is “clean up” the > clump in fall. I had a gallon pot of “Jack Attack” cover a 6 by 6 foot > area in a year. One rhizome having 36-40 fans. I hacked away this fall > and left a small blooming sized clump. The rest planted a 30 foot > section of one of the many lakes around here. I made special pure blue > and dark purple crosses, look for them at the seed exchange. I just > finished reading a gardener’s book (as you do) and ask that you don’t > do what he did. He moved into a new neighborhood and was welcomed by > an elderly gardener bearing a shoebox full of Viola tricolor. Oh no! > he told her, we throw those away by the shovel full, instantly > realizing what he had done. My point: A member of one of my garden > clubs admired one of my JIs, Royal Robes. She had a Louisiana I > wanted, Clyde Redmond. We arranged the trade for our next meeting. I > hacked out a rhizome from the JI and potted it up in a one gallon. > Right away it sent up a new fan, by the time of the meeting it was > full grown. I like to give fair value, plants and seed exchange, so I > was happy. She gave me a piece of blooming stalk, about 18”, with an > inch and a half piece of rhizome. Thank you. I planted it, and > immediately a full size fan grows. By fall, 6 huge fans, growing all > winter. By spring this was a thing of beauty, covered in huge flat sky > blue saucers, all from that tiny bit of protoplasm. I had 2 rhizomes > of a 60 year old virginica clone I planted last fall. It had a very > long blooming period, about a month. I said I didn’t need 2 plants of > it, but noooo…..It was 2 giant clumps facing me this fall. One was > crowding out other iris so I put the shovel under it and it didn’t > budge. Eventually it split into 3 huge clumps which I planted at a > little cove by a lake. All that from one piece of rhizome a year ago. > I have a virginica that routinely reaches 6 to 7 feet tall, with > gravity the only thing stopping its growth, with the leaves so long > that they start to snap in half. This one is another evergreen, with > huge pearlescent lavender blooms. I had some mature pods so look for > these seeds here, also if those sell out I have a couple of more > maturing pods. This is however, definitely a southern iris. I > hybridized this plant with everything that was blooming, a siberica, a > versicolor, a Louisiana and also pseudacorus. Only one pod matured on > that scape, and when mature, the seeds were the same shape and > plumpness of the bee crosses, but only only half the size. Not > knowing if these seeds are viable, I didn’t want to send them in. I am > hoping I get a crazy interspecies cross. The boggy acidic seed bed has > exceeded all expectations. I planted species and crosses of laevagita, > ensata, virginica, versicolor and some “white” pseudacorus. After a > season’s growth some have 6 – 8 full sized fans and are 24 + inches > tall. These healthy vigorous beauties will bloom next spring. Our > Region 4 Iris meeting is in October in Raleigh/Durham N.C. I potted up > divisions of all my species Iris as I divided them, and will take > these with me to benefit the plant sales/auctions. We hosted the > Nationals last year for the American Hemerocallis society, and that > took up all my time and a week’s vacation. I missed several important > Iris gatherings, and now that I did my duty to my Hemerocallis club I > plan to devote next year to the iris societies. In closing, I am > always looking for blue Native American Iris, missouriensis, cristata, > versicolors and virginicas, Louisianas…Please send your extra seeds > in, I for one will buy them. I sent some bulbils for a future > exchange, 60 year old Lilium lancifolium, 8 feet tall, remember that > species is immune to some virus that are devastating to other Lily > species. Also an "Orientpet" Lily, green bulbils, it reached 7 feet > this year. View the photos at my facebook album for our group: > https://www.facebook.com/karl.dan.50/media_set?set=a.1449203295099845.1073741849.100000305649825&type=3 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0311.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4001152 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From elainej@gmail.com Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:17:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: Elaine Jek Subject: Iris 2017 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 20:43:56 -0700 It's ok Karl, I read it fine. Thank you for sharing! Happy Iris growing. Beautiful work. -Elaine. On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Jan Jeddeloh wrote: > Karl, if you actually want anyone to read what you have to say you need to use paragraphs! You may have something to say but nobody is going to wade through your post as written. I tried and found it impenetrable. So divide up your post, edit it and maybe you’ll get some replies. > > Jan Jeddeloh >> On Sep 15, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Karl Dan <59eriver@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Iris 2017 >> For Iris fans, read on, others may delete. In my coastal zone 8 swamp >> the Louisianas NEVER go dormant. The best you can do is “clean up” the >> clump in fall. I had a gallon pot of “Jack Attack” cover a 6 by 6 foot >> area in a year. One rhizome having 36-40 fans. I hacked away this fall >> and left a small blooming sized clump. The rest planted a 30 foot >> section of one of the many lakes around here. I made special pure blue >> and dark purple crosses, look for them at the seed exchange. I just >> finished reading a gardener’s book (as you do) and ask that you don’t >> do what he did. He moved into a new neighborhood and was welcomed by >> an elderly gardener bearing a shoebox full of Viola tricolor. Oh no! >> he told her, we throw those away by the shovel full, instantly >> realizing what he had done. My point: A member of one of my garden >> clubs admired one of my JIs, Royal Robes. She had a Louisiana I >> wanted, Clyde Redmond. We arranged the trade for our next meeting. I >> hacked out a rhizome from the JI and potted it up in a one gallon. >> Right away it sent up a new fan, by the time of the meeting it was >> full grown. I like to give fair value, plants and seed exchange, so I >> was happy. She gave me a piece of blooming stalk, about 18”, with an >> inch and a half piece of rhizome. Thank you. I planted it, and >> immediately a full size fan grows. By fall, 6 huge fans, growing all >> winter. By spring this was a thing of beauty, covered in huge flat sky >> blue saucers, all from that tiny bit of protoplasm. I had 2 rhizomes >> of a 60 year old virginica clone I planted last fall. It had a very >> long blooming period, about a month. I said I didn’t need 2 plants of >> it, but noooo…..It was 2 giant clumps facing me this fall. One was >> crowding out other iris so I put the shovel under it and it didn’t >> budge. Eventually it split into 3 huge clumps which I planted at a >> little cove by a lake. All that from one piece of rhizome a year ago. >> I have a virginica that routinely reaches 6 to 7 feet tall, with >> gravity the only thing stopping its growth, with the leaves so long >> that they start to snap in half. This one is another evergreen, with >> huge pearlescent lavender blooms. I had some mature pods so look for >> these seeds here, also if those sell out I have a couple of more >> maturing pods. This is however, definitely a southern iris. I >> hybridized this plant with everything that was blooming, a siberica, a >> versicolor, a Louisiana and also pseudacorus. Only one pod matured on >> that scape, and when mature, the seeds were the same shape and >> plumpness of the bee crosses, but only only half the size. Not >> knowing if these seeds are viable, I didn’t want to send them in. I am >> hoping I get a crazy interspecies cross. The boggy acidic seed bed has >> exceeded all expectations. I planted species and crosses of laevagita, >> ensata, virginica, versicolor and some “white” pseudacorus. After a >> season’s growth some have 6 – 8 full sized fans and are 24 + inches >> tall. These healthy vigorous beauties will bloom next spring. Our >> Region 4 Iris meeting is in October in Raleigh/Durham N.C. I potted up >> divisions of all my species Iris as I divided them, and will take >> these with me to benefit the plant sales/auctions. We hosted the >> Nationals last year for the American Hemerocallis society, and that >> took up all my time and a week’s vacation. I missed several important >> Iris gatherings, and now that I did my duty to my Hemerocallis club I >> plan to devote next year to the iris societies. In closing, I am >> always looking for blue Native American Iris, missouriensis, cristata, >> versicolors and virginicas, Louisianas…Please send your extra seeds >> in, I for one will buy them. I sent some bulbils for a future >> exchange, 60 year old Lilium lancifolium, 8 feet tall, remember that >> species is immune to some virus that are devastating to other Lily >> species. Also an "Orientpet" Lily, green bulbils, it reached 7 feet >> this year. View the photos at my facebook album for our group: >> https://www.facebook.com/karl.dan.50/media_set?set=a.1449203295099845.1073741849.100000305649825&type=3 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: DSCF0311.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4001152 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From hk@icarustrading.com Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:17:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: From HK Subject: Iris 2017 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:50:34 -0500 It depends if you are reading it on an a mobile device or a desktop. Most likely, Karl's post was written from a desktop/ or cut and pasted from notepad or some program. The format does. It transfer. On Sunday, September 17, 2017, Elaine Jek wrote: > It's ok Karl, I read it fine. > > Thank you for sharing! Happy Iris growing. Beautiful work. > > -Elaine. > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Jan Jeddeloh > wrote: > > Karl, if you actually want anyone to read what you have to say you need > to use paragraphs! You may have something to say but nobody is going to > wade through your post as written. I tried and found it impenetrable. So > divide up your post, edit it and maybe you’ll get some replies. > > > > Jan Jeddeloh > >> On Sep 15, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Karl Dan <59eriver@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> > >> Iris 2017 > >> For Iris fans, read on, others may delete. In my coastal zone 8 swamp > >> the Louisianas NEVER go dormant. The best you can do is “clean up” the > >> clump in fall. I had a gallon pot of “Jack Attack” cover a 6 by 6 foot > >> area in a year. One rhizome having 36-40 fans. I hacked away this fall > >> and left a small blooming sized clump. The rest planted a 30 foot > >> section of one of the many lakes around here. I made special pure blue > >> and dark purple crosses, look for them at the seed exchange. I just > >> finished reading a gardener’s book (as you do) and ask that you don’t > >> do what he did. He moved into a new neighborhood and was welcomed by > >> an elderly gardener bearing a shoebox full of Viola tricolor. Oh no! > >> he told her, we throw those away by the shovel full, instantly > >> realizing what he had done. My point: A member of one of my garden > >> clubs admired one of my JIs, Royal Robes. She had a Louisiana I > >> wanted, Clyde Redmond. We arranged the trade for our next meeting. I > >> hacked out a rhizome from the JI and potted it up in a one gallon. > >> Right away it sent up a new fan, by the time of the meeting it was > >> full grown. I like to give fair value, plants and seed exchange, so I > >> was happy. She gave me a piece of blooming stalk, about 18”, with an > >> inch and a half piece of rhizome. Thank you. I planted it, and > >> immediately a full size fan grows. By fall, 6 huge fans, growing all > >> winter. By spring this was a thing of beauty, covered in huge flat sky > >> blue saucers, all from that tiny bit of protoplasm. I had 2 rhizomes > >> of a 60 year old virginica clone I planted last fall. It had a very > >> long blooming period, about a month. I said I didn’t need 2 plants of > >> it, but noooo…..It was 2 giant clumps facing me this fall. One was > >> crowding out other iris so I put the shovel under it and it didn’t > >> budge. Eventually it split into 3 huge clumps which I planted at a > >> little cove by a lake. All that from one piece of rhizome a year ago. > >> I have a virginica that routinely reaches 6 to 7 feet tall, with > >> gravity the only thing stopping its growth, with the leaves so long > >> that they start to snap in half. This one is another evergreen, with > >> huge pearlescent lavender blooms. I had some mature pods so look for > >> these seeds here, also if those sell out I have a couple of more > >> maturing pods. This is however, definitely a southern iris. I > >> hybridized this plant with everything that was blooming, a siberica, a > >> versicolor, a Louisiana and also pseudacorus. Only one pod matured on > >> that scape, and when mature, the seeds were the same shape and > >> plumpness of the bee crosses, but only only half the size. Not > >> knowing if these seeds are viable, I didn’t want to send them in. I am > >> hoping I get a crazy interspecies cross. The boggy acidic seed bed has > >> exceeded all expectations. I planted species and crosses of laevagita, > >> ensata, virginica, versicolor and some “white” pseudacorus. After a > >> season’s growth some have 6 – 8 full sized fans and are 24 + inches > >> tall. These healthy vigorous beauties will bloom next spring. Our > >> Region 4 Iris meeting is in October in Raleigh/Durham N.C. I potted up > >> divisions of all my species Iris as I divided them, and will take > >> these with me to benefit the plant sales/auctions. We hosted the > >> Nationals last year for the American Hemerocallis society, and that > >> took up all my time and a week’s vacation. I missed several important > >> Iris gatherings, and now that I did my duty to my Hemerocallis club I > >> plan to devote next year to the iris societies. In closing, I am > >> always looking for blue Native American Iris, missouriensis, cristata, > >> versicolors and virginicas, Louisianas…Please send your extra seeds > >> in, I for one will buy them. I sent some bulbils for a future > >> exchange, 60 year old Lilium lancifolium, 8 feet tall, remember that > >> species is immune to some virus that are devastating to other Lily > >> species. Also an "Orientpet" Lily, green bulbils, it reached 7 feet > >> this year. View the photos at my facebook album for our group: > >> https://www.facebook.com/karl.dan.50/media_set?set=a. > 1449203295099845.1073741849.100000305649825&type=3 > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: DSCF0311.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 4001152 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: 20170915/858ff86b/attachment.jpe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: BrazilPlants? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:20:41 -0700 I got an order from him two months ago. He posted on Facebook back in August. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Shane Simonsen wrote: > > I get the impression he travels a lot for field work. He sent me an order a few months ago but it took a while to get a response. > > Shane > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Rick Buell via pbs > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:39 > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Cc: Rick Buell > Subject: [pbs] BrazilPlants? > > Is Mauro Peixoto still in business? > > I've been trying unsuccessfully to reach him by email for 2 months without a reply, so I'm wondering now whats going on. I'm pretty sure I've got the right email. Does anyone know? > > Thanks, > Rick Buell > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <987386673.4093732.1505741086332@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Jim plays with his plants Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Here are two images which will give you some idea of what is happening in my garden now. http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2017/09/hemerocallis-in-mid-september.html http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2017/09/colchicums-2017.html Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where the hot and humid weather has returned.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dkramb@badbear.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Amaryllidaceae Book! (Lee Poulsen) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:27:43 -0400 Yeah, I have found similar FB groups for different gesneriads. There's a Brazilian group for Sinningias, and a Vietnamese group for Aeschynanthus. I can't read most of the posts but the photographs are outstanding. Dennis in Cincinnati On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:01 AM, Garak wrote: > Hi, > > I'm actually a bit sad to hear that there is an active tigridia group on > FB - another hefty blow to my resistance against the evil kraken. All I can > hope is that some things will leak here or elsewhere in the free web :-( > > But I totally agree that there should be more books like this > Amaryllidaceae book - the perfect blend between classic botanical > descriptions and cultivation hints. definitely a must have if one is even > remotely interested in SA's amaryllids. All I'd need now is a pocket book > or Ebook version to read on the train to work. > > Am 13.09.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Lee Poulsen: > >> Also, via Facebook, there are starting to be serious and growing groups >> of native Latin Americans pursuing certain genera/families of bulbous >> species, collecting and sharing seeds and trying to increase awareness of >> the rarer species of Latin America, all in Spanish for a change. The >> Tigridia group especially seems to be flourishing—and it’s almost becoming >> a Latin American Irids group more than just the Tigridia cultivars and >> species group it started out as. I would love to ask some of them who are >> posting photos of things I’ve never seen before to possibly allow their >> photos to be added to the PBS wiki/encyclopedia. (Like I recently saw >> photos of a pure yellow Leontochir (Alstroemeria) ovallei taken in the >> current spectacular flowering of the Atacama Desert this year.) >> > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lagoondon@gmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Don Subject: Hesperocallis undulata Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:25:56 -0700 I am doing a citizen science research project on this plant in Borrego Springs, CA. I notice that there has been a lot of discussion about the plant in past years (2005-2010) but not much recently. This past spring was excellent for the plant in the wild, and approx. 165 of them came up in my yard, as well as elsewhere within the range of the species. Of the plants in my yard, roughly half bloomed, and roughly half of those produced seed. I counted the number of leaves per plant, correlated this with flowering and fruiting, and excavated 12 bulbs from my yard to be weighed and measured. If you are interested in the details I can send you a draft of the paper I have written. This coming winter I will be doing my own germination studies and experimenting with "forcing" some bulbs by means of irrigation to see if that works. What I am looking for is any information about recent efforts to grow the plant, such as success or failure with germination, translocation of bulbs, or anything else that seems interesting. If you respond to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org, please also send a copy to my personal email address, don@rideout.net so that I will be sure to receive it. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks. Don Rideout Borrego Springs, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1462db5a-e46a-4b9b-67b9-e77e9f851792@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Hesperocallis undulata Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:34:40 +0100 Hi, On 18/09/2017 21:25, Don wrote: > If you respond to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org You will be wasting your time because that is the *old* list address. The current list address is: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net which is the one Don posted to... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From drakee52@gmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Drake Subject: Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:07:53 -0400 Hello, We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen National Park in northern CA. On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below 7000'. As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa Lily. The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible to tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify them. Any help would be appreciated. Michael Drake -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: P1130739.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 909837 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below 7000'. As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa Lily. The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible to tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify them. Any help would be appreciated. Michael Drake -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: P1130739.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 909837 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he indicated these two species are known to hybridise. Michael Drake On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Greetings, > > > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they may > be C. minimus or a hybrid? > > > -| > > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of Michael > Drake > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ > > Hello, > > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen National > Park in northern CA. > > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. > > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below > 7000'. > > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. > > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa > Lily. > > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible to > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. > > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify them. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Michael Drake > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: P1130739.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 909837 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: P1130740.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4958720 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the > world. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Hesperocallis undulata Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:00:41 -0700 I think the conversations died out because no one has been able to successfully grow the plant to maturity in a pot. I think it’s very easy to germinate. I’ve germinated it successfully every time I’ve tried it (about 3 or 4 different occasions). And the seedlings grow quite well during their first winter. Once they go dormant, there are all these small bulbs in the pot. But on every attempt except for one, when autumn rolled around again, nothing would start growing the second winter, and there were no bulblets present in the pots after I dumped them out to see if they were still dormant. The last time I tried it, I decided to keep the dry dormant pot out where the sun would hit it and heat it up all summer. I also used a very deep (“tree”) pot but with a small cross-section. That attempt the second winter there were 3 bulbs left that sprouted and grew. But by the 3rd winter they were gone. I also once was able to purchase a mature bulb from a rescue mission where a housing development, I think, bulldozed up a bunch of the bulbs. I planted that in a very sandy mix in a large tree pot and kept it dry out in the sun all summer. It never leafed out the following winter, but in the spring I dumped out the pot and the bulb was still there, but smaller. Same thing happened the following winter and the spring after that the bulb was even smaller. It was clear this was a case of “dwindling” and eventually the bulb disappeared without ever having sprouted. I read somewhere that the Theodore Payne native plant foundation is closing in on figuring out how to successfully grow it in captivity. But I don’t know any of the details about that. [I would like a copy of your draft paper.] --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 18, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Don wrote: > > I am doing a citizen science research project on this plant in Borrego Springs, CA. I notice that there has been a lot of discussion about the plant in past years (2005-2010) but not much recently. This past spring was excellent for the plant in the wild, and approx. 165 of them came up in my yard, as well as elsewhere within the range of the species. Of the plants in my yard, roughly half bloomed, and roughly half of those produced seed. I counted the number of leaves per plant, correlated this with flowering and fruiting, and excavated 12 bulbs from my yard to be weighed and measured. If you are interested in the details I can send you a draft of the paper I have written. This coming winter I will be doing my own germination studies and experimenting with "forcing" some bulbs by means of irrigation to see if that works. > > What I am looking for is any information about recent efforts to grow the plant, such as success or failure with germination, translocation of bulbs, or anything else that seems interesting. If you respond to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org, please also send a copy to my personal email address, don@rideout.net so that I will be sure to receive it. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks. > > Don Rideout > Borrego Springs, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kimcmich@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:10 +0000 Greetings, Flower size is a very plastic character - and this year's flowering season has gotten a later-than-usual start so that character may not be particularly informative for this season's bloom. A hybrid would be possible considering he ranges of the 2 taxa overlap at Lassen... but the flower itself looks like a somewhat pale C. nudus. Calochortus always show a broad variation within species when it comes to flower color and size and form. In the case of flower color, the age of the flower as well as temperatures when the flower is open can determine coloration. I mention this because finding an atypical flower is often expected for a species rather then necessarily being evidence for hybridization. That said, hybrids are common too. I would wager Lassen hosts both C. minimus and C. nudus (and given the similarity of the taxa, observations may have already been made but mis-identified - this is very common for Calochortus). -| on behalf of Michael Drake Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Kipp, I live on the East Coast so I have no prior experience of either species. These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he indicated these two species are known to hybridise. Michael Drake On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Greetings, > > > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they may > be C. minimus or a hybrid? > > > -| > > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of Michael > Drake > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ > > Hello, > > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen National > Park in northern CA. > > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. > > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below > 7000'. > > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. > > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa > Lily. > > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible to > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. > > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify them. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Michael Drake > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: P1130739.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 909837 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: P1130740.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4958720 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the > world. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From drakee52@gmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Drake Subject: Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:19:33 -0400 Thank you! On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Greetings, > > > Flower size is a very plastic character - and this year's flowering > season has gotten a later-than-usual start so that character may not be > particularly informative for this season's bloom. A hybrid would be > possible considering he ranges of the 2 taxa overlap at Lassen... but the > flower itself looks like a somewhat pale C. nudus. > > > Calochortus always show a broad variation within species when it comes > to flower color and size and form. In the case of flower color, the age of > the flower as well as temperatures when the flower is open can determine > coloration. I mention this because finding an atypical flower is often > expected for a species rather then necessarily being evidence for > hybridization. That said, hybrids are common too. > > > I would wager Lassen hosts both C. minimus and C. nudus (and given the > similarity of the taxa, observations may have already been made but > mis-identified - this is very common for Calochortus). > > > -| > > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of Michael > Drake > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ > > Kipp, > > I live on the East Coast so I have no prior experience of either species. > These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - > and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. > > The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he > indicated these two species are known to hybridise. > > Michael Drake > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael > wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The > > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they > may > > be C. minimus or a hybrid? > > > > > > -| > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: pbs on behalf of > Michael > > Drake > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM > > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ > > > > Hello, > > > > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen > National > > Park in northern CA. > > > > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I > > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. > > > > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below > > 7000'. > > > > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. > > > > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa > > Lily. > > > > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible > to > > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), > > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. > > > > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything > > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify them. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Michael Drake > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: P1130739.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 909837 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: P1130740.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4958720 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society > pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> > > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum > > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the > > world. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Jim plays with his plants Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:18:52 +0300 Whoah! I never knew there were autumn blooming Hemerocallis. I thought late blooming was July!! Nice stuff, Shmuel Create your own email signature On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Here are two images which will give you some idea of what is happening in > my garden now. > http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2017/09/hemerocallis-in-mid-september.html > > http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2017/09/colchicums-2017.html > > > Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where the hot > and humid weather has returned. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <621243070.5086175.1505833312001@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 426 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 426" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Brad King: 1.    Small offsets of Drimiopsis maculata ex Waddick/Mazer From Chad Cox: 2.    Seed of Calostemma purpureum 3.    Corms of Gladiolus grandiflorus, mostly red, some pink 4.    Bulbils of “Tiger Lily”, double form From Mary Sue Ittner: (BULBS) 5.    Ferraria crispa 6.    Nerine sarniensis from Zinkowski rescue Meditation X Joan Tonkin 7.    Nerine sarniensis (from seeds from pink flowers, ones blooming so far have been pink) 8.    Oxalis purpurea 'Garnet' 9.    Tropaeolum tricolor From Dan Fetty: 10.    Bulbils of Lilium lancifolium, (Tiger Lily), 60-yr old clone, 6’ – 8’ tall 11.    Bulbils of  Orienpet lily, white/rose, fragrant, 5’ -  6’ tall From John Wickham: (BULBS/CORMS): 12.    Oxalis namaquana 13.    Oxalis fabifolia, ex BX 275 14.    Oxalis bowiei 15.    Lachenalia aloides ('Pearsonii') 16.    Lachenalia pustulata, blue 17.    Ferraria uncinata, ex UCBBG 18.    Moraea edulis (M. fugax?) 19.    Watsonia aletroides 20.    Tritonia crocata selection 21.    Tritonia hybrid, pink 22.    Watsonia ‘Ablaze’ 23.    Lachenalia bulbifera, deep red, ex BX 271 24.    Tritonia hybrid pastel 25.    Watsonia 'Flamboyant' ex Monterey Bay Nursery 26.    Lachenalia mutabilis, electric blue 27.    Lachenalia corymbosa (Polyxena) 28.    Tritonia hyalina (T. crocata?) Thank you, Brad, Chad, Mary Sue, Dan, and John !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From elainej@gmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Elaine Jek Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 426 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:18:01 -0700 Hi Dell, I'd like these: thankyou! 15. Lachenalia aloides ('Pearsonii') 26. Lachenalia mutabilis, electric blue On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:01 AM, ds429 wrote: > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at > > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Include "BX 426" in the subject line. > > > SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. > > Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > > Dell's email address > ds429@frontier.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > > > From Brad King: > > 1. Small offsets of Drimiopsis maculata ex Waddick/Mazer > > From Chad Cox: > > 2. Seed of Calostemma purpureum > 3. Corms of Gladiolus grandiflorus, mostly red, some pink > 4. Bulbils of “Tiger Lily”, double form > > From Mary Sue Ittner: (BULBS) > > 5. Ferraria crispa > 6. Nerine sarniensis from Zinkowski rescue Meditation X Joan Tonkin > 7. Nerine sarniensis (from seeds from pink flowers, ones blooming so far > have been pink) > 8. Oxalis purpurea 'Garnet' > 9. Tropaeolum tricolor > > From Dan Fetty: > > 10. Bulbils of Lilium lancifolium, (Tiger Lily), 60-yr old clone, 6’ – 8’ tall > 11. Bulbils of Orienpet lily, white/rose, fragrant, 5’ - 6’ tall > > From John Wickham: (BULBS/CORMS): > > 12. Oxalis namaquana > 13. Oxalis fabifolia, ex BX 275 > 14. Oxalis bowiei > 15. Lachenalia aloides ('Pearsonii') > 16. Lachenalia pustulata, blue > 17. Ferraria uncinata, ex UCBBG > 18. Moraea edulis (M. fugax?) > 19. Watsonia aletroides > 20. Tritonia crocata selection > 21. Tritonia hybrid, pink > 22. Watsonia ‘Ablaze’ > 23. Lachenalia bulbifera, deep red, ex BX 271 > 24. Tritonia hybrid pastel > 25. Watsonia 'Flamboyant' ex Monterey Bay Nursery > 26. Lachenalia mutabilis, electric blue > 27. Lachenalia corymbosa (Polyxena) > 28. Tritonia hyalina (T. crocata?) > > Thank you, Brad, Chad, Mary Sue, Dan, and John !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From xerantheum@gmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Hippeastrum 'Cardoso Moreira' finally has a name Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:02:03 -1000 Dear bulbophiles, After many years of being grown in cultivation as Hippeastrum 'Cardoso Moreira", this species finally has a name: Hippeastrum idimae. I have made the changes in the wiki and you can find the full publication in the link below. It's not free though. https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.307.2.6 Best, Nhu _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From teck11@embarqmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001401d331af$8ea67db0$abf37910$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: crinum cross Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:59 -0400 Here is a first blooming of Crinum bulbispermum rubrum x C lavranii. Interestingly, the rubrum color seems to be heterozygous in the parent since the same mother gave a virtually white cross with C. firmifolium, another white Madagascar crinum. Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nice cross. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > Here is a first blooming of Crinum bulbispermum rubrum x C lavranii. > Interestingly, the rubrum color seems to be heterozygous in the parent > since > the same mother gave a virtually white cross with C. firmifolium, another > white Madagascar crinum. > > Tim > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: C bulbispermum roseum x C lavranii.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3296342 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170919/b2537835/attachment.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jimb@customwindowsupply.com Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jim Barton Subject: Calochortus minimus-nudus Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:50:35 +0000 Michael: Munz differentiates Calochortus minimus as, petals acute and fruits nodding; Calochortus nudus as, petals rounded and fruits erect. I did not see any mature fruits in your picture but the petals look like C. nudus. The Jepson Herbarium of UC Berkley has an online key of many California plants that may help you. Also UC Berkley has an online site called " Calphotos Plants" where you can see photos of flowers listed by species to give you a comparison. Jim Barton _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Calochortus minimus-nudus Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:09:46 +0000 The online resources of the Jepson herbarium, including CalPhotos, are immensely useful. I would caution though, that not all the photos in CalPhotos are identified correctly. I have found mistakes there in the past... not many, but enough to caution against using CalPhotos alone to confirm id. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:50 PM Jim Barton wrote: > > Michael: > Munz differentiates Calochortus minimus as, petals acute and fruits > nodding; Calochortus nudus as, petals rounded and fruits erect. I did not > see any mature fruits in your picture but the petals look like C. nudus. > The Jepson Herbarium of UC Berkley has an online key of many California > plants that may help you. Also UC Berkley has an online site called " > Calphotos Plants" where you can see photos of flowers listed by species to > give you a comparison. > Jim Barton > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000d01d33266$119a1540$34ce3fc0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: crinum cross Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 19:13:27 -0400 I didn't take any photos since the inside is a uniform slightly off-white with no striping. I will take a photo but all the anthers are harvested so it will look wrong. > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Anita Roselle > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:39 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] crinum cross > > Tim, > That is a pretty flower, would like to see how it looks from straight into the > flower. > Nice cross. > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > > > Here is a first blooming of Crinum bulbispermum rubrum x C lavranii. > > Interestingly, the rubrum color seems to be heterozygous in the parent > > since the same mother gave a virtually white cross with C. > > firmifolium, another white Madagascar crinum. > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: C bulbispermum roseum x C lavranii.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3296342 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > 20170919/b2537835/attachment.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <0d9baf64-8184-c8ee-14fd-557da4538b98@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: a bulb for every month Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 00:06:40 +0100 Hi, In the Sunday Times (of London, UK), Rachel de Thame recently wrote a couple of articles giving a list of bulbs for 12 months of bloom. You can read the articles (see links below) for free if you are prepared to mess about with the website. Here are the species: January - Eranthis hyemalis, Galanthus elwesii February - Crocus tommasinianus March - Iris histrioides, Narcissus, Scilla April - Muscari armeniacum, Fritillaria meleagris, Narcissus, Tulipa May - Hyacinthoides non-scripta, Nrcissus, Tulipa June - Camassia leichtlinii, Alium schubertii, Eremurus stenophyllus July - Allium sphaerocephalon, Eremurus x isabellinus, Lilium August - Agapanthus, Eucomis comosa, Dahlia, Acis autumnalis September - Nerine bowdenii, Crinum powellii October - Scilla autumnallis, Crocus speciosus November - Cyclamen cilicium December - Hippeastrum, Narcissus (paper whites) - both indoor bulbs. The articles give a lot more information, but the above may be of interest or inspire you to post your own list of bulbs for every month. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rachel-de-thame-best-bulbs-to-plant-for-colour-from-july-to-december-vtqztrbxk https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rachel-de-thame-best-bulbs-to-plant-for-blooms-in-january-to-june-kbfq2lqq0 -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1094668193.7009950.1506038863726@mail.yahoo.com> From: a r via pbs Subject: Pacific BX 426 CLOSED Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 00:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Dell I'm in the process of packaging pink crinum bulbs (2" or less), belladonna seeds for Raspberry and another one that is hot pink and white (see attached photos) and Slime lily Albuca giants. I'll ship them out tomorrow.  Ann Rametta From: ds429 To: pbs Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:28 AM Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 426 CLOSED I will finish replying to orders later. Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: albuca2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 156377 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bella hot pink3.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 60952 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: crinum pk2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 93218 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From evan.eifler@gmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Evan Eifler Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:13:37 +0200 Hi Everyone, I wanted to pass along another update on my field research and remind you that there's *one week left* of my crowdfunding campaign with ~$2,000 left to go so if you were considering pledging to support my research, now's the time! Thank you to those of you who have already donated. Here's the link - https://experiment.com/projects/geissorhiza-an-evolutionary-case-study-in-the-cape-floristic-region/labnotes I've pasted the text of my update below, but please check out the update on my campaign's website to see photos - https://experiment.com/u/V2f10A I'm currently very busy with fieldwork and the campaign, but I will add photos to the wiki as soon as I have a chance. Anyway, enjoy! And as always, let me know if you have any questions or comments. Evan ___________________________________ Ups and Downs The first two weeks of my trip have been very successful. Despite the severe drought that is threatening Cape Town’s water supply, I have still been able to find most of the species I’ve been looking for and have been able to secure a few of the species on the top of my ‘most wanted’ list. I picked up two local endemics found only in tiny areas around two small towns north of Cape Town, *Geissorhiza radians* - the radiant winecup, and a species that I have collected in the past but this time I sampled a population that is completely different than the rest – a population whose flowers are lipstick red (the only red flower in the genus) when all other populations of the species are cream or white. Both *G. radians* and the red form of *G. inflexa* are thought to be strange examples of floral mimicry, but more on that next week when I spend time in the field with pollination biologist, Steve Johnson, who is flying in just to work on *G. radians* with me. Please see images of some of the new finds below. BUT, I could never have expected my entire trip to go so smoothly – so is fieldwork – which brings me (in a very roundabout manner) to why I have ample time to write to you today… Part of what makes the genus *Geissorhiza* so interesting is that it’s almost completely confined to the Cape Floristic Region (CFR). I say ‘almost’ because there are a few species that have boldly gone where no *Geissorhiza* has gone before, spilling over into the semi-arid regions that surround the CFR. It is thought that the ancestors of *Geissorhiza *evolved in the grasslands of south eastern Africa and slowly made their way west and then somewhat north (imagine a Nike swoosh) into what is now the CFR as ancient forests opened up and gave way to the scrubby fynbos vegetation present today which allowed more light to reach the diminutive *Geissorhizas*. *Geissorhiza’s* potential march north was ultimately halted by the Karoo (semi-arid region) to the north and northeast of the CFR because its underground storage organs are too small to survive long without the consistent, yearly rain found in the Cape. The few species that have found their way into the Karoo are thought to be the most evolutionarily derived species, meaning they are least like their ancestors. I was lucky enough to find one of these species, *G. corrugata*, on my short trip to South Africa last year (see image below). This time, I took aim at three more species each only known from small areas of the Great Karoo. I left on Tuesday morning with a tent, some food and water, and a map of the previous records of each species – exact gps points for where they had been seen and collected in the past. I drove for four hours progressively deeper into the middle of nowhere, the relatively lush Cape mountains slowly giving way to stark, gaping expanse. Once I arrived at my first point, I got out of the car and the first thing that struck me was the utter silence. The kind of silence that leaves your ears straining to hear something, anything. There were no sounds of distant cars or mowers, planes, or even birds at that moment. I was at once both alarmed by the complete isolation and thrilled by the rare experience and feeling of being completely alone (I should note here that I had a working cell phone, food and water in the car, and always stayed within eyesight of the tarred road where other vehicles passed every 20-30 minutes or so – in case of emergency). Anyway, I spent about two hours scouring the exact hillslope that corresponded with a previous record of my target species and when I was about to give up, I found a clump of three individuals growing in some bushes at the base of a fencerow. Unfortunately, the individuals were passed flowering so I wasn’t convinced it was the right species at first, but after re-reading the description and noting that the violet flowers turn blue when dry, just like the dry petals on the found plants, I was happy I had found it. I drove another forty-five minutes to the small and very remote town of Sutherland known for stargazing and being the coldest place in South Africa where I camped for the night… under cloudy skies. The next morning, I woke to the birds and set out to find the other two local endemics closely related to *G. corrugata*. Once again, I drove to the exact spot where previous collections of the species had been made. I walked around for a while, not seeing much in the dry, cracked earth, but once my eyes adjusted, I started seeing my target species everywhere – a tiny, curly-leaved plant very similar to *G. corrugata*. Unfortunately, this species was also well passed flowering and was beginning to dry up and die back to the ground, but I was thrilled to have found it so easily and felt like I was on a roll, one more species to go and I’d be on my way! I drove back in the direction of civilization and the empty landscape that had looked blue and calm the cloudy afternoon before now looked threatening in the blinding midday sun. I came to the turnoff that the map showed would lead me to the site of the last species and paused. It was the kind of back-country road that shoots off into the distance with no apparent destination, a dirt road with no end or farm structures in sight. I thought about passing it up, just driving back to Cape Town, but the species was an important one for my collection and I had come all this way. In my head, I briefly went through everything that could go wrong and was more or less prepared for those situations so I headed down the road. My destination was much farther down this road than I would have liked, but I did pass another car on the way in and a single farm which eased my nerves a little. Once again, I arrived at the very hillside that should hold my quarry, and the previous record was pretty specific about where I should look. But, after an hour or two spent combing the area, I hadn’t found what I was looking for. I had found a surprising diversity of bulbs on the hill, but not what I was looking for. In fact, I found what was perhaps the opposite of what I was looking for. I found more of the species I had just collected in Sutherland. The species that ONLY occurs in Sutherland. A species that shouldn’t occur here, and one that I had clearly misidentified. Not only that, but I found another example of the species I had collected the day before – but this time it was in flower. And the flower didn’t look quite right. After rereading the description of the species and its closest relatives, I found out that it is vegetatively indistinguishable from the one relative, one I have already collected – meaning that unless it’s in flower, you can’t tell them apart. My heart sank. I was no longer confident that I had collected any of the correct species on this trip. It occurred to me that I should have enough time on my way out to recheck the spot I found the first species to see if I could find anymore, perhaps one in flower, so I held out hope. Feeling defeated, I started driving the many miles back to the tared road. That’s when I heard a “POP” and the alarms in my car started going off, the digital screen in the dash blinking “PUNCTURE.” My heart sank even lower and my stomach got a little queasy as I slowed to a stop. The first gravel road I’ve been on this trip, and only one of two punctured tires I’ve suffered over the last 5 years of fieldwork in South Africa, and it was timed perfectly so that I was still miles from the one farm I had seen and the tar road. I did my best to stay calm as I got out of the car and unpacked the trunk. I hadn’t even checked to make sure there was a spare tire, I had just assumed, so I held my breath as I pulled up the mat. There was a tire, but one fit for a go-cart that had a label advising not to exceed 80km an hour. I swapped the tires quickly, trying to keep my mind occupied so as not to think about how the situation could get worse, and carried on, the alarms no longer going off and screen no longer blinking. I couldn’t help but think what might happen if I got another flat, and about 5 minutes later I heard another noise, my car resumed its alarm and blinking “PUNCTURE” once again. I didn’t have the stomach to pull over again, I just kept driving. I drove until I was on the edge of the lone farm and could see washing hung out to dry, a domestic scene that was immensely comforting at the time. I hoped out, held my breath, and slowly walked from tire to tire. They were all fine, the car must have reregistered the initial puncture. I let out an audible sigh of relief and kept driving. Needless to say, I didn’t stop to recheck for the flowering *Geissorhiza*. Instead I drove to the nearest tire shop, still about 40 miles away, but the tire had an inch and a half tear and was un-patchable and they didn’t have the right size for me to buy a new one. So, after my great trek into the Karoo, I limped all the way back to Cape Town Wednesday night on my toy tire with one questionable-at-best *Geissorhiza* having left my dignity and whatever was left of my ego somewhere far behind. I think the drought affected these three semi-arid species more severely than the more coastal species so much of their population may not have flowered at all this year, and the ones that did may have bloomed earlier in the season. These things are hard to predict! It took a day and a half for the rental car company to replace my car which is why I had time to write this all down. Tomorrow, I’m back on the road with many more *Geissorhizas* to find and adventures to be had. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2017 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Steven Hart Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 14:53:34 +1000 Hello Evan, I have loved your threads, photographs & information, & wish you success in your quest for knowledge. I have two comments & hope you see a little lateral thinking here. I smiled when i saw your line "Geissorhiza is mimicking the Babiana to steal its pollinators" Ive been interested in evolution of plants for over 45 years since a child when i visited NZ & started my journey with plants from growing moss & lichen from spores. I have geissorhizas grown from seed to flower, although i specialize in Australian Crinums & enjoy following their evolutionary pathways across our vast deserts & surrounds. Perhaps what you are seeing is not mimicry of Babiana, but a simple parallel evolution of both of these plants to their available pollinators & specific environmental conditions ;) I am also a great advocate for conservation & would love to see rare species, studied but not removed & dried as samples. Best of luck Steven On 23 September 2017 at 07:13, Evan Eifler wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I wanted to pass along another update on my field research and remind you > that there's *one week left* of my crowdfunding campaign with ~$2,000 left > to go so if you were considering pledging to support my research, now's the > time! Thank you to those of you who have already donated. Here's the link - > https://experiment.com/projects/geissorhiza-an-evolutionary-case-study-in- > the-cape-floristic-region/labnotes > > I've pasted the text of my update below, but please check out the update on > my campaign's website to see photos - https://experiment.com/u/V2f10A > > I'm currently very busy with fieldwork and the campaign, but I will add > photos to the wiki as soon as I have a chance. > > Anyway, enjoy! And as always, let me know if you have any questions or > comments. > > Evan > > > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > -- Steven : ) Esk Queensland Australia Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From evan.eifler@gmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Evan Eifler Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:54:25 +0200 In response to Steven's email: Hi Steven, thank you for your comments. You are absolutely right! It is very much a possibility that both the Babiana and Geissorhiza are under selective pressure (perhaps by local pollinators or some aspect of their environment) that have caused the convergent evolution of both species to one optimal morphology. It is also possible (though unlikely), that there is some lateral gene flow between the two species meaning they have somehow swapped a gene or gene complex that determines flower color and/or morphology. To unravel exactly what's going on here would require hypothesis testing with a rigorous experimental design, something I would love to tackle in the future. In the meantime, I will be doing just such a study (at least a pilot study) with a renown pollination biologist next week regarding G. radians and the multiple similar species it cooccurs and coflowers with - so more on that in the coming weeks. And I share your conservation sentiment whole-heartedly. And would value a discussion on the pros and cons of collecting rare species. It is somewhat disturbing to pluck rare species, even Critically Endangered species as I have done recently, but I don't do it because I like to, I do it because it is required of me and because it ensures scientific integrity. One can't publish on the genetics of organisms like Geissorhiza without having proof that the genetic data they're using in their paper belongs to the species they say it does, otherwise it would be very easy to make up, misrepresent, or misinterpret data. This is why, for every species I include in the family tree I am generating and will eventually publish for Geissorhiza, I need to have a voucher specimen lodged in an herbarium somewhere that proves that is the species I was talking about and if my analysis ever comes into question may be referenced to confirm or dispute my findings. Geissorhizas are really hard to identify and, although I am a large proponent of photography, many characters that are important for identification are very difficult to photograph so voucher specimens are very important to ensure the accuracy and integrity of my work. Having said this, I do take as few specimens as possible, and never more than the 4 I am allowed in accordance with my collecting permit. I think sacrificing a few to learn more about and raise awareness for the many is merited in this case, but again, I would value a discussion on the topic. Thanks again for the keen comments! Evan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From avbeek1@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Aad van Beek Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:10:41 +0000 Geissorhizas are really hard to identify and, although I am a large proponent of photography, many characters that are important for identification are very difficult to photograph so voucher specimens are very important to ensure the accuracy and integrity of my work. Just curious what characters are to difficult to photograph? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From elainej@gmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2017 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Elaine Jek Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:30:05 -0700 Evan, Appreciate the detailed study and analysis you are doing, as well as updating here. I am glad that there is a protocol developed so that only a limited amount of rare plant material is collected from the wild. Aad, This year I had the opportunity to visit the Jepson Herbarium. There are specimens there collected centuries ago and preserved so well that, DNA and modern analysis can now be performed on them. Photography at best can only capture the visuals, perhaps the collecting is also done to preserve for future study? On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Aad van Beek wrote: > > > Geissorhizas are really hard to identify and, although I am a large > proponent of photography, many characters that are important for > identification are very difficult to photograph so voucher specimens are > very important to ensure the accuracy and integrity of my work. > > Just curious what characters are to difficult to photograph? > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Sun, 24 Sep 2017 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Amaryllis belladonna seed Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 08:39:17 +0100 Dear All Having moved to Portugal and starting a new garden, I would love to grow good colour forms of Amaryllis belladonna. Right now this species is flowering here in Portugal but they are all of a uniform very pale pink which does not look very attractive to me. If any of you have good forms and would be willing to ship some seed, please contact me privately. I cannot offer much in return as my plant collection had to be reduced because of the move to Portugal and my "garden" here is yet to be made, but I am happy to pay for seeds and shipping. Looking forward to hearing from you, greetings from very dry Portugal Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From evan.eifler@gmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2017 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Evan Eifler Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 14:18:03 +0200 Aad: Of the 103 described species of Geissorhiza, many have white to cream flowers with a pink flush beneath so it's characters of the leaf that can be particularly important and particularly difficult to photograph. Specifically the shape of the leaf in cross-section and the placement and consistency of trichomes (plant hairs). Leaf shape in cross-section can range from flat to H-shaped (imagine an I-beam) to appearing almost corrugated with hairs either throughout the leaf, just on the leaf edges, or on each of the parallel veins. The corms are also one of the most important diagnostic characters and although easy enough to photograph, still require pulling the plants up. Elaine: You are also absolutely right. My specimens will be preserved in an herbarium potentially for all time, but a long time at least and can be used by future researchers. I haven't tried extracting DNA from preserved Geissorhizas, but I would like to in the near future - at least somewhat recent collections. When I collect my specimens in the field, I preserve them by drying them rapidly in silica gel (like the little packets you get in shoe boxes and tech packages) before the DNA has a chance to decay. So it's possible some of the herbarium specimens were dried quickly enough to preserve their DNA. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From shane.simonsen@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shane Simonsen Subject: Hippeastrum cybister Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:01:00 +0000 Hi Everyone I am a long time lurker but finally have something interesting to share. I am massively reducing my extensive succulent and carnivorous collections and shifting over to selective breeding of a few bulbs instead. My focus areas are silver leaved Sinningias (leucotricha, canescens, piresiana and a few others) xSprekeliastrum, Neomarica caerulea plus other showy species and scented Babiana species. Finally got flowers on my Hippeastrum cybister kindly provided by seed from the incomparable Diana Chapman several years ago. Another seedling from Malta is also flowering so looks like the next generation is right around the corner. I am drying and storing the pollen in the fridge to try making hybrids with Sprekelia when they flower later in the season. Has anyone seen xSprekeliastrum done with cybister before? Shane in Australia -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 628.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 552689 bytes Desc: 628.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 629.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 560817 bytes Desc: 629.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A hybrid would be >> possible considering he ranges of the 2 taxa overlap at Lassen... but the >> flower itself looks like a somewhat pale C. nudus. >> >> >> Calochortus always show a broad variation within species when it comes >> to flower color and size and form. In the case of flower color, the age of >> the flower as well as temperatures when the flower is open can determine >> coloration. I mention this because finding an atypical flower is often >> expected for a species rather then necessarily being evidence for >> hybridization. That said, hybrids are common too. >> >> >> I would wager Lassen hosts both C. minimus and C. nudus (and given the >> similarity of the taxa, observations may have already been made but >> mis-identified - this is very common for Calochortus). >> >> >> -|> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael Drake >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> >> Kipp, >> >> I live on the East Coast so I have no prior experience of either species. >> These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - >> and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. >> >> The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he >> indicated these two species are known to hybridise. >> >> Michael Drake >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael >> wrote: >> >> > Greetings, >> > >> > >> > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The >> > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they >> may >> > be C. minimus or a hybrid? >> > >> > >> > -|> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael >> > Drake >> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM >> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen >> National >> > Park in northern CA. >> > >> > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I >> > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. >> > >> > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below >> > 7000'. >> > >> > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. >> > >> > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa >> > Lily. >> > >> > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible >> to >> > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), >> > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. >> > >> > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything >> > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify >> them. >> > >> > Any help would be appreciated. >> > >> > Michael Drake >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130739.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 909837 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130740.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 4958720 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society> > pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> >> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion >> forum >> > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the >> > world. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The habitat conservationists on the mountain pull them when they see them. If you like them, by all means, dig them up and take them home! -| on behalf of Michael Drake Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:59 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Kipp, One more flower for you. This was seen in mi-April of this year at San Bruno Mountain Park up at the top on the ridge trail. Are they wild - I cannot find anything that comes close. Michael Drake On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael Drake wrote: > Thank you! > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Kipp McMichael > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> >> Flower size is a very plastic character - and this year's flowering >> season has gotten a later-than-usual start so that character may not be >> particularly informative for this season's bloom. A hybrid would be >> possible considering he ranges of the 2 taxa overlap at Lassen... but the >> flower itself looks like a somewhat pale C. nudus. >> >> >> Calochortus always show a broad variation within species when it comes >> to flower color and size and form. In the case of flower color, the age of >> the flower as well as temperatures when the flower is open can determine >> coloration. I mention this because finding an atypical flower is often >> expected for a species rather then necessarily being evidence for >> hybridization. That said, hybrids are common too. >> >> >> I would wager Lassen hosts both C. minimus and C. nudus (and given the >> similarity of the taxa, observations may have already been made but >> mis-identified - this is very common for Calochortus). >> >> >> -|> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael Drake >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> >> Kipp, >> >> I live on the East Coast so I have no prior experience of either species. >> These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - >> and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. >> >> The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he >> indicated these two species are known to hybridise. >> >> Michael Drake >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael >> wrote: >> >> > Greetings, >> > >> > >> > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The >> > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they >> may >> > be C. minimus or a hybrid? >> > >> > >> > -|> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael >> > Drake >> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM >> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen >> National >> > Park in northern CA. >> > >> > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I >> > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. >> > >> > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below >> > 7000'. >> > >> > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. >> > >> > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa >> > Lily. >> > >> > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible >> to >> > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), >> > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. >> > >> > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything >> > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify >> them. >> > >> > Any help would be appreciated. >> > >> > Michael Drake >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130739.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 909837 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130740.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 4958720 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society> > pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> >> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion >> forum >> > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the >> > world. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Years ago, someone planted Sparaxis elegans (a native of South Africa) on the mountain. Note sure if they planted bulbs widely or the Sparaxis has spread but you see it sprinkled along the trails. They are well-suited to the local climate but not a natural part of the plat community. The habitat conservationists on the mountain pull them when they see them. If you like them, by all means, dig them up and take them home! -| on behalf of Michael Drake Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:59 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ Kipp, One more flower for you. This was seen in mi-April of this year at San Bruno Mountain Park up at the top on the ridge trail. Are they wild - I cannot find anything that comes close. Michael Drake On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael Drake wrote: > Thank you! > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Kipp McMichael > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> >> Flower size is a very plastic character - and this year's flowering >> season has gotten a later-than-usual start so that character may not be >> particularly informative for this season's bloom. A hybrid would be >> possible considering he ranges of the 2 taxa overlap at Lassen... but the >> flower itself looks like a somewhat pale C. nudus. >> >> >> Calochortus always show a broad variation within species when it comes >> to flower color and size and form. In the case of flower color, the age of >> the flower as well as temperatures when the flower is open can determine >> coloration. I mention this because finding an atypical flower is often >> expected for a species rather then necessarily being evidence for >> hybridization. That said, hybrids are common too. >> >> >> I would wager Lassen hosts both C. minimus and C. nudus (and given the >> similarity of the taxa, observations may have already been made but >> mis-identified - this is very common for Calochortus). >> >> >> -|> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael Drake >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> >> Kipp, >> >> I live on the East Coast so I have no prior experience of either species. >> These plants appear more consistent with C minimus in size - very small - >> and colour based on pictures and plant descriptions I have seen. >> >> The park biologist at Lassen suggested the possibility of a hybrid as he >> indicated these two species are known to hybridise. >> >> Michael Drake >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Kipp McMichael >> wrote: >> >> > Greetings, >> > >> > >> > These look to be C. nudus to me. C. minimus is usually pale white. The >> > ranges of both are certainly close to Lassen. What makes you think they >> may >> > be C. minimus or a hybrid? >> > >> > >> > -|> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: pbs on behalf of >> Michael >> > Drake >> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:07 PM >> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus minimus/nudus/hybrid/ >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > We recently had the good fortune to spend a few days at Mt Lassen >> National >> > Park in northern CA. >> > >> > On August 20th, on the trail from Cold Boiling Lake to Crumbaugh Lake, I >> > saw the attached Mariposa Lilies. >> > >> > They were growing along a wooded, partially sunny trail a little below >> > 7000'. >> > >> > As far as I can tell, they are C minimus, Sierra Mariposa Lily. >> > >> > However the plant list for the park only lists C. nudus, Naked Mariposa >> > Lily. >> > >> > The park naturalist indicates that without a specimen, it is impossible >> to >> > tell whether this is a new species for the park (C minimus), >> > or a hybrid of C minmus and C nudus. >> > >> > Do any of you have any thoughts on this? I could not find anything >> > published online about hybrids of these species and how to identify >> them. >> > >> > Any help would be appreciated. >> > >> > Michael Drake >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130739.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 909837 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment.jpe> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: P1130740.JPG >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 4958720 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: > > 20170918/30c4e11f/attachment-0001.jpe> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society> > pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs> >> > lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion >> forum >> > on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the >> > world. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Greetings from very dry Portugal, waiting for the first rain Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <042c16f1-0f70-badf-76cd-076a5e96dcb3@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Message for Doug Westfall Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:31:24 -0700 The following inquiry came via the website. I hope Olivier can reach Doug Westfall via this list. Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator, PBS -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Member info Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:09:23 -0400 From: Apache Reply-To: Olivier Antunes To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Hi, I just signed up for membership (and paid;-)) I appreciate all your work but have a question. How do I get in contact with specific members? Is it through the biennial member directory? I´m looking for Doug Westfall. Best regards, Olivier Antunes Denmark -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From clcox@ucdavis.edu Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Chad Cox Subject: Looking for amaryllis belladonna bulbs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 07:42:20 -0700 Hello all, I would like to line my driveway with amaryllis belladonna, could anyone recommend a good source for around 50 or so bulbs? I am happy to pay but eBay seemed so expensive... I figured if anyone knew of a better option it would be all of you. :-) Thank you in advance for your help! Chad Cox in Elverta CA (zone 8ish) Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jripperda@sbcglobal.net Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1364957066.5793516.1506526681341@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jerry Ripperda Subject: Looking for amaryllis belladonna bulbs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Chad: I can provide bulbs for you, and I am in Sacramento. All of the bulbs have pink flowers. Interested? On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:42 AM, Chad Cox wrote: Hello all, I would like to line my driveway with amaryllis belladonna, could anyone recommend a good source for around 50 or so bulbs? I am happy to pay but eBay seemed so expensive... I figured if anyone knew of a better option it would be all of you. :-) Thank you in advance for your help! Chad Cox in Elverta CA (zone 8ish) Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Looking for amaryllis belladonna bulbs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:12:43 -0700 Don’t know about his prices, but if you’re looking for a variety of different colors and shades, you might want to check out Bill the Bulb Baron’s offerings. I know he sells in bulk quantity as well as in small quantities. —Lee > On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Jerry Ripperda wrote: > > Hello, Chad: > I can provide bulbs for you, and I am in Sacramento. All of the bulbs have pink flowers. Interested? > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:42 AM, Chad Cox wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I would like to line my driveway with amaryllis belladonna, could anyone recommend a good source for around 50 or so bulbs? I am happy to pay but eBay seemed so expensive... I figured if anyone knew of a better option it would be all of you. :-) Thank you in advance for your help! > > Chad Cox in Elverta CA (zone 8ish) > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From evan.eifler@gmail.com Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Evan Eifler Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:06:24 +0200 Hi Everyone! I'd like to post a short update on the work I'm doing this week with the radiant winecup (Geissorhiza radians) and its look-alikes, but first I'd like to remind you that there are only 3(!) days left of my crowdfunding campaign so if you've been considering donating, now's the time. And if you haven't already, please forward the link to anyone you think might be interested. I know many of you in North America have been donating to hurricane relief and that comes first, absolutely, but it's also important to fund scientific research, especially environmental research now, before it's too late and this weather becomes the new normal which could spell the end for Critically Endangered species already teetering on the brink like many I'm working with. https://experiment.com/projects/geissorhiza-an-evolutionary-case-study-in-the-cape-floristic-region Once again, I'm posting the text here, but please visit the lab note on my crowdfunding campaign for the photos that go along with the text - well worth the extra click! Link below https://experiment.com/u/xC5uLg Can you spot the difference between each of the flowers below? If not, you're not alone; it's likely their pollinators can't either. But what's going on here? Is one mimicking the other to co-opt it's pollinator? Does their pollinator just prefer this blue and red pattern which has caused the convergent evolution of these species to one optimal color pattern? Is the pollinator hardwired to prefer this pattern or is it a learned response? I certainly can't say... yet. What I can tell you is that these are each separate species, they overlap in distribution, flower at the same time, and, although from two separate genera, they all look almost exactly alike! I'm back in Darling with renown pollination biologist, Steve Johnson, trying to figure it all out. We're gathering preliminary data on these species' pollination systems so that we may design a rigorous set of experiments to untangle who might be mimicking who and to reveal the pollinator's taste in flower color and pattern. It's possible that some of the flowers are rewarding (offer nectar) and one is not so that the non-rewarding species is a Mullerian mimic of the others. This is a common syndrome in orchids but has never been observed in the iris family. Today we made novel pollinator observations that confirm at least three of these species share a pollinator, a tabanid horse fly, so we are already laying the groundwork for a fascinating study to come. I've taken tissue samples from each of these species so it will be interesting to make the phylogeny and see exactly how they're related - it's possible they're not even each other's closest relatives. There's already a dated phylogeny for Babiana so comparing the two should give us an idea who came first. Off the cuff, I'd say the Babiana because it's an older lineage, but after looking back at the phylogeny it appears that Babiana rubrocyanea is one of the most derived members, meaning it is one of the most recently evolved. So who knows?! As I've been thinking about this today, I can't help but be concerned for the future of this incredibly intricate and fragile web thousands, if not millions of years in the making. If each of these species depend on the others and each of these species is already severely threatened, how are they and the other symbioses of the Cape going to weather further human impact either directly through habitat loss or indirectly through alien species invasion and climate change? If one goes, do they all go? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Steven Hart Subject: Geissorhiza Research Update Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:40:57 +1000 A delight to the eye Evan, Im happy you were able to capture photos of this little group of endangered beauties, although i prefer the pastel blue Geissorhizas myself. I wish i could have seen them all in flower too, I bet the fluorescence is amazing compared to the photos. Thank you for your earlier response, i too am pleased there is collection limits. Although i still think all collection is high risk, unless used for regeneration purposes. Rather than added to the Halls of Extinction, and dig areas are carefully manicured to mask the removal process. You might find this interesting for your research, in regard to removal. I visit rare Crinum venosum colonies in Queensland Australia annually, most of these plants are unlucky because most live on cattle & horse properties, rather than in the wild, which has mostly been cleared by greedy governments & land holders. I have observed in recent years, where even small numbers of plants have been removed for study or by poachers stealing them, the small pockets of ground disturbance has led to cattle digging away the gully edges where the plants favor, due to cattle loving to dig fresh exposed earth. What starts as shallow dig holes as round as a bucket, ends up large exposed wallows where grass cover cant re-establish quickly. C. venosum have been able to survive the ages in low numbers, but even small amounts of removal is now greatly increasing rapid extinction of the most important colony. But ill make detailed posts on my research over the last few years on another day. Your Geissorhiza photo collection is excellent, & i never realized how close babiana can be to Geissorhiza, although the differences are many when we look closely. Its easy to see they have evolved to attract the fly, with a bold red dish of delight in a dazzling ring of blue & hints of white. If i was a fly or maybe a beetle id be in for a look too. It would be interesting to know, if the area in general has lesser populations of butterflies & moths ? And would be intrigued to know if there is any notable fragrance or perhaps any odor ? Again with Australian Desert Crinums here in Queensland we smell delightful strong musky jasmine fragrances where we have a high predominance of small native stingless bees, butterflies & hawk moths, but as we cross the desert toward South Australia, the fragrance disappears & becomes a somewhat cat like uric odor, although there is still a hint of fragrance on a lite breeze. Here flies & beetles can be common pollinators. I wonder if you find a similar pollinator comparison with the Geissorhiza & Babiana, which from memory don't have much fragrance over all ? Enjoy the rest of your studies & tank you for sharing! Steven Hart Queensland Australia On 28 September 2017 at 07:06, Evan Eifler wrote: > Hi Everyone! I'd like to post a short update on the work I'm doing this > week with the radiant winecup (Geissorhiza radians) and its look-alikes, > but first I'd like to remind you that there are only 3(!) days left of my > crowdfunding campaign so if you've been considering donating, now's the > time. And if you haven't already, please forward the link to anyone you > think might be interested. I know many of you in North America have been > donating to hurricane relief and that comes first, absolutely, but it's > also important to fund scientific research, especially environmental > research now, before it's too late and this weather becomes the new normal > which could spell the end for Critically Endangered species already > teetering on the brink like many I'm working with. > > https://experiment.com/projects/geissorhiza-an-evolutionary-case-study-in- > the-cape-floristic-region > Once again, I'm posting the text here, but please visit the lab note on my > crowdfunding campaign for the photos that go along with the text - well > worth the extra click! Link below > > https://experiment.com/u/xC5uLg > > > Can you spot the difference between each of the flowers below? > As I've been thinking about this today, I can't help but be concerned for > the future of this incredibly intricate and fragile web thousands, if not > millions of years in the making. If each of these species depend on the > others and each of these species is already severely threatened, how are > they and the other symbioses of the Cape going to weather further human > impact either directly through habitat loss or indirectly through alien > species invasion and climate change? If one goes, do they all go? > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > -- Steven : ) Esk Queensland Australia Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 02:10:42 -0400 I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent dome on top. I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. Should I have done something else? Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2080097761.18613712.1506585464568@mail.yahoo.com> From: Anders Bo Petersen via pbs Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:57:44 +0000 (UTC) They are very easy to germinate. I use perlite as a growing media. Add some water afterwards, then put the seeds on the top. You then leave the pot in a plastic bag and wait. Regards AndersCopenhagen  Sendt fra Yahoo Mail til iPhone Den torsdag, september 28, 2017, 08:10 skrev oooOIOooo via pbs : I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent rim on top. I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. Should I have done something else? Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From petersirises@gmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:16:03 +0100 sounds very warm! I find them easy to germinate in cooler conditions. Peter (UK) On 28 September 2017 at 08:57, Anders Bo Petersen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > They are very easy to germinate. I use perlite as a growing media. Add > some water afterwards, then put the seeds on the top. You then leave the > pot in a plastic bag and wait.... > > > Den torsdag, september 28, 2017, 08:10 skrev oooOIOooo via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>: > > I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled > them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on > the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent rim on top. > I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and > maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has > happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. > Should I have done something else? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rdevries@comcast.net Thu, 28 Sep 2017 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 06:20:23 -0500 Yes Leo You could have floated them in a cup of water or a deli container with a small hole in the lid. Refresh the water weekly or so. Germination in a few weeks or sooner. Transplant when you see growth into 50:50 long sphagnum and pumice mix and keep moist but with good air circulation like outside in shade. Rimmer > On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:10 AM, oooOIOooo via pbs wrote: > > I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent dome on top. I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. Should I have done something else? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 28 Sep 2017 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <249780421.352258.1506602965348@mail.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:49:25 +0000 (UTC) I agree, 90°F does sound a bit warm. I've started these by floating the seeds on water at room temperature. Every few days the water can be changed if it becomes at all murky, and the seeds can be washed gently if mold develops. When you observe a root radicle starting, individual seeds can be placed in potting medium to grow. --Rick Buell -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/28/17, Peter Taggart wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017, 4:16 AM sounds very warm! I find them easy to germinate in cooler conditions. Peter (UK) On 28 September 2017 at 08:57, Anders Bo Petersen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > They are very easy to germinate. I use perlite as a growing media. Add > some water afterwards, then put the seeds on the top. You then leave the > pot in a plastic bag and wait.... > > > Den torsdag, september 28, 2017, 08:10 skrev oooOIOooo via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>: > > I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled > them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on > the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent rim on top. > I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and > maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has > happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. > Should I have done something else? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:30:42 -0400 I received two batches of seed in prior years. Both looked identical, but the first just went moldy, while the second gave almost 100% germination. Perhaps viability of Pamianthe seed is erratic. Nick On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 2:10 AM, oooOIOooo via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. (snip) Nothing has happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in > white mycelia. Should I have done something else? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From agiascach@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Andrew McDougall Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:39:58 +0000 I hope you haven't given up on the seeds though. I have had Hippeastrum seed grow into mature plants after having fungus on the seeds. And others I've lost. I understand that some fungus species can consume living plant cells, and others cannot. But it is always worth trying to get them through it because you cannot identify fungi by eye. Also, my thoughts would be to steer clear of the perlite and even vermiculite. I have had initial success with Pamianthe with those mediums, only to have trouble later on. I have had great success with pumice mixed with orchid bark. Watch for mealy bugs too. ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of Rick Buell via pbs Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 10:49 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Rick Buell Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana I agree, 90°F does sound a bit warm. I've started these by floating the seeds on water at room temperature. Every few days the water can be changed if it becomes at all murky, and the seeds can be washed gently if mold develops. When you observe a root radicle starting, individual seeds can be placed in potting medium to grow. --Rick Buell -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/28/17, Peter Taggart wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017, 4:16 AM sounds very warm! I find them easy to germinate in cooler conditions. Peter (UK) On 28 September 2017 at 08:57, Anders Bo Petersen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > They are very easy to germinate. I use perlite as a growing media. Add > some water afterwards, then put the seeds on the top. You then leave the > pot in a plastic bag and wait.... > > > Den torsdag, september 28, 2017, 08:10 skrev oooOIOooo via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>: > > I received some seeds of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled > them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum moss. I placed the container on > the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent rim on top. > I put them under a 6500K color temperature compact fluorescent light. and > maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has > happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in white mycelia. > Should I have done something else? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password below. 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This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from messing with ... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1867784126.80619.1506627604580@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I have nearly always had germination success with the flotation technique for all kinds of papery amaryllid seed. I believe the technique is described on our wiki. Dell -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/28/17, Andrew McDougall wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017, 10:39 AM I hope you haven't given up on the seeds though. I have had Hippeastrum seed grow into mature plants after having fungus on the seeds. And others I've lost. I understand that some fungus species can consume living plant cells, and others cannot. But it is always worth trying to get them through it because you cannot identify fungi by eye. Also, my thoughts would be to steer clear of the perlite and even vermiculite. I have had initial success with Pamianthe with those mediums, only to have trouble later on. I have had great success with pumice mixed with orchid bark. Watch for mealy bugs  too. ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of Rick Buell via pbs Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 10:49 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Rick Buell Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana I agree, 90°F does sound a bit warm. I've started these by floating the seeds on water at room temperature. Every few days the water can be changed if it becomes at all murky, and the seeds can be washed gently if mold develops. When you observe a root radicle starting, individual seeds can be placed in potting medium to grow. --Rick Buell -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/28/17, Peter Taggart wrote:   Subject: Re: [pbs] Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana   To: "Pacific Bulb Society"   Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017, 4:16 AM   sounds very warm! I find them   easy to germinate in cooler conditions.   Peter (UK)   On 28   September 2017 at 08:57, Anders Bo Petersen via pbs <   pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>   wrote:   > They are very   easy to germinate. I use perlite as a growing media. Add   > some water afterwards, then put the seeds   on the top. You then leave the   > pot in a   plastic bag and wait.... >   >   > Den torsdag,   september 28, 2017, 08:10 skrev oooOIOooo via pbs <   > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>:   >   > I received some seeds   of the above in BX 403. I soaked them, then nestled   > them, pointed end down, into damp sphagnum   moss. I placed the container on   > the bottom of a plastic food container and set the transparent   rim on top. > I put them under a 6500K   color temperature compact fluorescent light. and > maintained ambient temperatures in the 80-90 F / 26-32C range. Nothing has   >   happened, other than some of the seeds becoming covered in   white mycelia.   > Should I have done something else?   > >   Thanks,   > Leo Martin   >   Phoenix Arizona USA   > _______________________________________________   pbs mailing list   pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net   http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs pbs Info Page - pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password below. 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This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from messing with ... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <850d2117-639b-7e51-0440-0593574b4e68@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Sv.: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:48:22 +0100 Hi, On 28/09/2017 20:40, ds429 wrote: > the flotation technique for all kinds of papery amaryllid seed. technique is described on our wiki. The wiki links to the list, here: https://goo.gl/WF3Y8U Long URL: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2002-November/sq3ns9uvbrb39doat67edapoi3.html Works for coconuts too. I wonder what the theory is, in brief, the idea why floating would work. Does it matter which side of the seed is wet. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: youngs Subject: International Rock Gardener - new issue Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:55:00 +0100 In IRG September 2017, the free  e-magazine  International Rock Gardener:, with ....the description of a new Tulipa species  by J.J. de Groot and  K.S. Tojibaev - named to honour Ben Zonneveld ...... Jan Tholhuijsen encourages another new project for the garden .....Zdenek Zvolanek praises  fabaceae for the garden ...and Kenton J. Seth reviews a book on Cactus........  download here... http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Sep281506621414IRG93.pdf  M. Young _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From fredbonthuis@hotmail.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Fred Bonthuis Subject: bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:38:02 +0000 dear sir/miss I have received some bulbs from you but some numbers I can not find from the list vol 7 issue 14 the numbers 7..14 ..5 ..and number 2 so let me know what these are so thank you very much fred bonthuis Roode kruislaan 18 3257 KG Ooltgensplaat The Netherlands _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 04:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <317d02b8-84d0-d5a0-835a-c995aa98550b@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:07:01 +0100 Hi, On 30/09/2017 10:38, Fred Bonthuis wrote: > I have received some bulbs from you but some numbers I can not find from the list vol 7 issue 14 the numbers 7..14 ..5 ..and number 2 PBS list Digest vol 7 issue 14 was people talking about BX 425. The actual BX post is here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2017-September/kbc1jdi5n6p54f6kphs47ho0u5.html Moral: Even if you manage to delete emails (why, really) there is always the list archive. 2. Muscari armeniacum 3. Narcissus 'Nylon' 4. Nerine masonorum 5. Nerine bowdenii 6. Ornithogalum schmalhausenii, ex Ruksans (O. balansae) 7. Ornithogalum umbellatum , "star of Bethlehem" 8. Oxalis caprina, lilac 9. Oxalis depressa, MV 4871 10. Oxalis flava, yellow 11. Oxalis imbricata 12. Oxalis namaquana, yellow 13. Oxalis sp.?, yellow, ex BX 313 14. Rhodophiala bifida -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53766559-B2C9-4A14-91F4-7C7E0C9FF8DB@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:49:11 +0100 Hello Fred, Do you mean bulbs from the BX? You can find the original offer on the website of the PBS. Type the BX number into the "search" field and you will find the original mail. It sometimes needs a little scrolling up or down. I imagine it too much work to label all the hundreds of little envelopes with more than the number of the related BX offer. Dell and his assistants have been doing a tremendous job for soooo many years! Bye for today Uli Von meinem iPad gesendet _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <440D201A-C6D6-4999-BBFD-7859DF809F77@pacbell.net> From: Jack and Val Subject: Bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:37:16 -0700 BX & SX Exchange: Just wondering how many separate packets are mailed out each time, on average? Thanks, Dell & assistants, for giving us all the pleasures to be had from trading bulbs and seeds. Val Myrick Sonora, CA near Yosemite On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban wrote: > > Hello Fred, > > Do you mean bulbs from the BX? > You can find the original offer on the website of the PBS. Type the BX number into the "search" field and you will find the original mail. It sometimes needs a little scrolling up or down. > I imagine it too much work to label all the hundreds of little envelopes with more than the number of the related BX offer. Dell and his assistants have been doing a tremendous job for soooo many years! > > Bye for today > > Uli > > Von meinem iPad gesendet > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From anitaroselle@gmail.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anita Roselle Subject: Orient-Pet baby bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:48:31 -0400 I received some of the bulbs from a recent exchange. I plan to grow these in pots at least until they are quite a bit larger. I would like to use a clay pot so that there is more weight at the base for a tall plant. I don't know how deep a pot they need as I have never grown them before. How deep to plant them and how much growing room do they need? Your suggestions will be very much appreciated. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <796220159.1288752.1506801200922@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 19:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Well, Val, on the most recent BX, I sent out about 300 shares, and that seems normal. The SX is very much bigger, which is why I have helpers for that. Dell -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/30/17, Jack and Val wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Cc: fredbonthuis@hotmail.com Date: Saturday, September 30, 2017, 12:37 PM BX & SX Exchange:  Just wondering how many separate packets are mailed out each time, on average?  Thanks, Dell & assistants, for giving us all the pleasures to be had from trading bulbs and seeds. Val Myrick Sonora, CA near Yosemite _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <239086418.1328540.1506801714718@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 20:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I really overestimated on that last email. For BX 426, I suppose I sent out 150 shares. Dell -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/30/17, Jack and Val wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Cc: fredbonthuis@hotmail.com Date: Saturday, September 30, 2017, 12:37 PM BX & SX Exchange:  Just wondering how many separate packets are mailed out each time, on average?  Thanks, Dell & assistants, for giving us all the pleasures to be had from trading bulbs and seeds. Val Myrick Sonora, CA near Yosemite On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban wrote: > > Hello Fred, > > Do you mean bulbs from the BX? > You can find the original offer on the website of the PBS. Type the BX number into the "search" field and you will find the original mail. It sometimes needs a little scrolling up or down. > I imagine it too much work to label all the hundreds of little envelopes with more than the number of the related BX offer. Dell and his assistants have been doing a tremendous job for soooo many years! > > Bye for today > > Uli > > Von meinem iPad gesendet > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <002b01d33a2d$b39ce6a0$1ad6b3e0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Bulbs Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:50:07 -0700 Dell, On just one BX you send out 150 shares? And SXs are bigger than that? What an incredible job! And I think you do this on average once a week year-round. You've also been doing this for 14 years or more, if I'm correct? You have a right to retire or step back. PBS Folks, I think it's time Dell had some more and reliable help or at least allow him to retire.... May I put forth a request for ideas on how to streamline this process to make it less onerous? I'm sure this has been brought up for discussion before, and it's time to get serious about this situation. Dell has done this without pay as an incredibly generous donation of time and probably money, too for a very long time. Please, folks, step forward and offer ideas, help or whatever you can. We owe this to Dell in particular but to all volunteers who keep this organization running. My best regards, Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs