pbs Digest, Vol 168, Issue 7

Ben Zonneveld ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl
Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:25:39 PST
An experienced bulbgrower from the Netherlands tried to set up growing
safron in Afganistan a few years ago, to help the local people. However he
could not compete with the growing of papaver! (This is not to
encourage the growing of papaver in Vermont!)

2017-01-13 22:30 GMT+01:00 <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org>:

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>    1. Ledebouria cooperi (Shmuel Silinsky)
>    2. Dividing Clivia miniata (Shmuel Silinsky)
>    3. Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Judy Glattstein)
>    4. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Mark Mazer)
>    5. Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (Chad Cox)
>    6. Re: Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (James SHIELDS)
>    7. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Tim Eck)
>    8. Re: Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (Mike Rummerfield)
>    9. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (From HK)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 04:35:11 -0500
> From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] Ledebouria cooperi
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> I live in Jersalem (USDA zone 9b) and my Ledebouria cooperi in a pot have
> gone dormant (sort of). This is the first winter I have had them and am a
> bit at a loss. Do I let them dry out completely? Also shoul d the bulbs be
> buried completely of exposed like L socialis?
>
> Duh. I just read the PBS page on Ledebouria
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… and it pretty
> much answered my questions. One swhould always look there first.  :)
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> Shmuel
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 04:41:51 -0500
> From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [pbs] Dividing Clivia miniata
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> I have a pretty crowded 5 gal bucket of Clivia miniata. When is best to
> divide it? Now? After flowering? I would like flowers this year as I missed
> them last year. (I was too late with the Measurol and they ended up snail
> food.)
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:05:55 -0500
> From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
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> Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's
> involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric
> state of Vermont.
>
> So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or
> domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all!
> Fahrenheit
> Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping
> from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59
> degrees fahrenheit a week later
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:57:06 -0500
> From: Mark Mazer <markemazer@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
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> The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's.  The minimum wage in
> Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth.  How would green
> mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the
> significant factor in the cost of saffron production?  The proposition
> simply doesn't make much economic sense unless there is sufficiently
> great value
> added downstream.
>
> No more crocus here.  Rodents ate the entire collection within months of
> our arrival.  Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis.
>
> Mark Mazer
> Hertford, NC
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article:
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's
> > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric
> state
> > of Vermont.
> >
> > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or
> > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all!
> > Fahrenheit
> > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping
> > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59
> degrees
> > fahrenheit a week later
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:52:52 -0800
> From: Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder
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> Thanks all for commiserating with me.
>  Fred I too have a house full of plants(some seedlings) but haven't
> experimented with hybridization yet; my wife is already angry so I may have
> to wait a bit on that plus I'm still waiting for one of my hippeastrum to
> bloom. I'm hoping that will happen in Spring.
>   Rick I would have to say that the top of my list would be angustifolium,
> closely followed by teyucuarense, brasilianum, morelianum, and argentinum
> to start. The truth is I am fascinated by many of the rare species in this
> genus and the fact that many are practically unheard of in cultivation
> sparks my interest even more since I love challenges.
>   Mike thank you for calling to my attention that I suffer from yet
> another condition, Clivia fever. I don't think I have it as badly as you
> but I definitely have it. I've been looking for a nice red one for a long
> time.
>    Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but
> was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some
> Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm running
> out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-)
>
> Chad in Elverta CA
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Chad L. Cox, Ph.D.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Chad L. Cox, Ph.D.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:09:26 -0500
> From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder
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> Chad,
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
> > .........
> >    Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but
> > was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some
> > Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm
> running
> > out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-)
> > .........
>
>
> The obvious solution to our dilemma is to add more greenhouses.  I am up to
> four now.
>
> Jim
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:27:17 -0500
> From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
> Message-ID: <000401d26ddb$6fb4f000$4f1ed000$@embarqmail.com>
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> Harvesting (and separation of the pistil from the bloom) is the only
> work-intensive part and both are very amenable  to 'robomation' using
> hue-based image processing.
>
> Tim Eck
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Mazer
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:57 PM
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
> >
> > The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's.  The minimum wage in
> > Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth.  How would green
> > mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the
> significant
> > factor in the cost of saffron production?  The proposition simply doesn't
> make
> > much economic sense unless there is sufficiently great value added
> > downstream.
> >
> > No more crocus here.  Rodents ate the entire collection within months of
> our
> > arrival.  Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis.
> >
> > Mark Mazer
> > Hertford, NC
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article:
> > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's
> > > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric
> > > state of Vermont.
> > >
> > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or
> > > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all!
> > > Fahrenheit
> > > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping
> > > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59
> > > degrees fahrenheit a week later
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:47:09 -0800
> From: Mike Rummerfield <mikerumm@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder
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> " .... so unfortunately I'm running out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A
> theory confirmed by my wife :-)"
>
> Chad,
> Yes - but such a wonderful crazy.  Maybe time to put yourself into
> irretrievable debt (and marital disharmony) to add on to that greenhouse?
> Adding on to the house might be pushing it a bit.  ?
>
> I hope your Hippeastrum blooms this Spring.
> Best of luck,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
> > Thanks all for commiserating with me.
> >  Fred I too have a house full of plants(some seedlings) but haven't
> > experimented with hybridization yet; my wife is already angry so I may
> have
> > to wait a bit on that plus I'm still waiting for one of my hippeastrum to
> > bloom. I'm hoping that will happen in Spring.
> >   Rick I would have to say that the top of my list would be
> angustifolium,
> > closely followed by teyucuarense, brasilianum, morelianum, and argentinum
> > to start. The truth is I am fascinated by many of the rare species in
> this
> > genus and the fact that many are practically unheard of in cultivation
> > sparks my interest even more since I love challenges.
> >   Mike thank you for calling to my attention that I suffer from yet
> > another condition, Clivia fever. I don't think I have it as badly as you
> > but I definitely have it. I've been looking for a nice red one for a long
> > time.
> >    Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but
> > was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some
> > Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm
> running
> > out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-)
> >
> > Chad in Elverta CA
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:30:40 -0500
> From: From HK <hk@icarustrading.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
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> Hue base image processing?   Wow.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2017, Tim Eck <teck11@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Harvesting (and separation of the pistil from the bloom) is the only
> > work-intensive part and both are very amenable  to 'robomation' using
> > hue-based image processing.
> >
> > Tim Eck
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Mazer
> > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:57 PM
> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society
> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers?
> > >
> > > The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's.  The minimum wage
> in
> > > Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth.  How would green
> > > mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the
> > significant
> > > factor in the cost of saffron production?  The proposition simply
> doesn't
> > make
> > > much economic sense unless there is sufficiently great value added
> > > downstream.
> > >
> > > No more crocus here.  Rodents ate the entire collection within months
> of
> > our
> > > arrival.  Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis.
> > >
> > > Mark Mazer
> > > Hertford, NC
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article:
> > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's
> > > > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric
> > > > state of Vermont.
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or
> > > > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all!
> > > > Fahrenheit
> > > > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully
> flip-flopping
> > > > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59
> > > > degrees fahrenheit a week later
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