pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 7

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>   1. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? (ds429)
>   2. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
>      (Mohammad Sadegh)
>   3. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? (Tim Eck)
>   4. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
>      (Arnold140)
>   5. Re: Boweia volubilis emergency! (Shmuel Silinsky)
>   6. Zantedeschia seed (Linda Foulis)
>   7. Re: Zantedeschia seed (David Pilling)
>   8. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 4 (Jane Sargent)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:29:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: ds429 <ds429@frontier.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group
>    ?
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> Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.?"? 
> 
> And I will not be that "agent."
> 
> Dell
> 
> Dell Sherk PBS BX
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> On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM
> 
> Arnold and all,
> 
> ??? 
> ???
> But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an
> intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward
> seed to the US. These ?connections? are subject to
> change.
> 
> ??? Sending
> seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if
> caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the
> US.
> 
> ??? ??? If
> Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral
> country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the
> US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.???
> 
> 
> 
> ???
> ??? ??? ??? Best? ? Jim W. 
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM,
> arnold140@verizon.net
> wrote:
> 
> David:
> 
> I thought so.? Based on
> Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether
> donated or sold..
> 
> Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/16, David Pilling
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net
> wrote:
>> Hello Moderator
>> is it possible to send seed (seeds of
> lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ?
>> Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran
> 
> Arnold - I think he wants to
> post an advertisement to the list "seeds 
> available at $1 a piece" kind of thing.
> 
> Previously we had a discussion
> about if l. ledebourii was a species it 
> was
> legal to sell seeds for.
> 
> The policy has always been that the list was
> not for commercial postings 
> - but
> occasional news type messages were permissible.
> 
> Perhaps Mohammad could say
> "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site 
> http://www.com.com/"
> 
> Anyway, over to the PBS board for a
> decision...
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mohammad Sadegh <iranaquatic@yahoo.ca>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group
>    ?
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> 
> Please stop it?I am not interested to sale seeds to group members anymore .those that bought seeds from me in bulk or small packets can grow and share with others if they want .
> Good Luck everybody?Mohammad SadeghArdabil?,Iran 
> 
>    On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:59 PM, ds429 <ds429@frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.?"? 
> 
> And I will not be that "agent."
> 
> Dell
> 
> Dell Sherk PBS BX
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM
> 
> Arnold and all,
> 
> ??? 
> ???
> But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an
> intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward
> seed to the US. These ?connections? are subject to
> change.
> 
> ??? Sending
> seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if
> caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the
> US.
> 
> ??? ??? If
> Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral
> country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the
> US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.???
> 
> 
> 
> ???
> ??? ??? ??? Best? ? Jim W. 
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM,
> arnold140@verizon.net
> wrote:
> 
> David:
> 
> I thought so.? Based on
> Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether
> donated or sold..
> 
> Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/16, David Pilling
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net
> wrote:
>> Hello Moderator
>> is it possible to send seed (seeds of
> lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ?
>> Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran
> 
> Arnold - I think he wants to
> post an advertisement to the list "seeds 
> available at $1 a piece" kind of thing.
> 
> Previously we had a discussion
> about if l. ledebourii was a species it 
> was
> legal to sell seeds for.
> 
> The policy has always been that the list was
> not for commercial postings 
> - but
> occasional news type messages were permissible.
> 
> Perhaps Mohammad could say
> "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site 
> http://www.com.com/"
> 
> Anyway, over to the PBS board for a
> decision...
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
> http://www.davidpilling.com/
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> USA
> Phone? ???816-746-1949
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:09:38 -0400
> From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group
>    ?
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> C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a
> town meeting.  The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that
> circumstances have made irrelevant.
> 
> Tim Eck
> When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he
> says something that is not trivial, then it is false.
> Gauss
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David
> Pilling
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote:
>>> the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold..
>> 
>> Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad
>> has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting.
>> 
>> The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute.
>> 
>> '
>> Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right?
> Because
>> if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point.
>> Rachel: Huh. A moo point?
>> Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.
>> '
>> 
>> We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people
>> bought the seeds.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> David Pilling
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:18:51 -0400
> From: Arnold140 <arnold140@verizon.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group
>    ?
> Message-ID: <BC32ECD5-663F-4818-9FDE-FF51383519DD@verizon.net>
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> 
> Hi Tim. 
> 
> David may have been saying that the debate could/should no longer be heard. (My take on his intent) always a dangerous thing you know the saying to assume makes an *ss out of you and me. 
> 
> Arnold 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Tim Eck <teck11@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a
>> town meeting.  The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that
>> circumstances have made irrelevant.
>> 
>> Tim Eck
>> When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he
>> says something that is not trivial, then it is false.
>> Gauss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David
>> Pilling
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM
>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society
>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote:
>>>> the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold..
>>> 
>>> Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad
>>> has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting.
>>> 
>>> The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute.
>>> 
>>> '
>>> Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right?
>> Because
>>> if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point.
>>> Rachel: Huh. A moo point?
>>> Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.
>>> '
>>> 
>>> We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people
>>> bought the seeds.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> David Pilling
>>> http://www.davidpilling.com/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:47:43 -0400
> From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Boweia volubilis emergency!
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> Thanks Monica and Bob,
> 
> I am glad to here that where there is life there is hope and I can stop
> holding my breath.
> 
> Shmuel
> 
> 
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>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Monica Swartz <eciton@utexas.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shmuel, don't worry, your Boweia is fine. In some growing areas, B.
>> volubilis will keep making the vining flower stalks all year. In others, it
>> takes a short rest in the winter. B. volubilis is a very tough plant. You
>> can even take off chunks of the fleshy bulb scales, bury them shallow, and
>> you will soon have a bunch of baby offsets (this does not work with B.
>> gariepensis, winter-growing and much fussier). Hope this helps.  m
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:19:14 -0600
> From: Linda Foulis <lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] Zantedeschia seed
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> Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed?  I was handed a couple seed pods and have never dealt with them before.  
> I'm thinking they should be cleaned while fresh, easier to, and the seed should be green / white?  Should they be planted immediately?  Can they be stored and if yes, how?
> Thank you for any assistance on this.
> 
> Linda 
> Zone 1-2
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:20:48 +0100
> From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zantedeschia seed
> Message-ID: <48d89a05-e29f-d7a2-7fa1-9efd3c268093@davidpilling.com>
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> Hi Linda,
> 
>> On 12/10/2016 21:19, Linda Foulis wrote:
>> Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed?
> 
> The seed photos etc on this PBS wiki page may help:
> 
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
> 
> 
> I've grown different species of Z. from dried seed with no problem. I 
> suspect they're better from fresher seed - stored cool (like most things).
> 
> You can always consult the usual seed databases Norm Deno etc. see:
> 
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
> http://www.davidpilling.com/
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:24:43 -0400
> From: Jane Sargent <jane@deskhenge.com>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 4
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> From: Jane Sargent
> 
> Re: unhappy Boweia.
> 
> Oh, Shmuel, I can torture Boweias even better.
> 
> I had 3 potted Boweias, one about 2" in diameter and two about 3" in 
> diameter, in pots in my kitchen 3 months ago. Then I had a health 
> emergency and was in another city for nearly 3 months with the house 
> plants abandoned. When I returned, the Boweias were gone, vanished, 
> including their pots. After 3 weeks of looking, I found them today, 
> presumably where some helpful person had put them during my absence. 
> They were outdoors (!) in a steel wheelbarrow full of water. When I say 
> "full," picture just the little scalps of two of these plants sticking 
> out of the water, with the plants 90% submerged. The third plant was 
> completely under water. They must have been there for at least 3 weeks, 
> perhaps a lot longer. They remained firm, not mushy, and at least half 
> of each bulb was the usual waxy green. None was sprouted, but they 
> weren?t sprouted 3 months ago, either. The two larger ones fell out of 
> their pot onto the ground while I was fishing them out, they unpotted 
> themselves, and their roots were white and good-looking.
> 
> These are desert plants, right?
> 
> Well, I?ve repotted them with drainage, and I bet they make it, in spite 
> of their masquerade as water lilies.
> 
> Once it took me about twelve years to kill a Boweia. That last 15 months 
> with no water whatsoever did the trick, when the plant was abandoned in 
> an unused dwelling . Before that, ordinary neglect seemed to have no effect.
> 
> Shmuel, I bet your Boweia does well. This plant is about half zombie.
> 
> Jane Sargent
> 
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Fwd: PBS website contact:///Amoreuxia/ wrightii (Jane McGary)
>>    2. Boweia volubilis emergency! (Shmuel Silinsky)
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:58:28 -0700
>> From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:///Amoreuxia/ wrightii
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>> The following inquiry came via the PBS website. Please write directly to
>> Donna Anderson if you can help her find seeds of this species.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jane McGary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:    PBS website contact:///Amoreuxia/ wrightii
>> Date:    08 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400, Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT)
>> From:    Apache <apache@http://www.ibiblio.org/>
>> Reply-To:    Donna Anderson <perdy@mymts.net>
>> To:    janemcgary@earthlink.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary.
>> 
>> Hi, do you know where I could find seeds?
>> 
>> Thanks!
> 
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