Fred and all, I’ve had Crinum ‘Super Ellen’ in the garden for years. This year over 20 stalks with countless flowers and most upwards of 6 ft tall. Here is Kansas City with lttle or no extra winter care and winter twmps below 0 F. It is a fabulous plant iln all ways, but the one thing gardeners need to know is that it can get big. Leaves and stalks easily reach 6 ft and leaves bend out on all sides. It can get massive. I really need to dig and divide mine, but the process is daunting at this stage. I love it, and I advise every one to try it in northern gardens, but plant it were it can stay for a long time. Not one you want to move very often. Possibly the best Crinum for northern gardens. Jim W. On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Fred Biasella <arlen.jose@verizon.net> wrote: Hi Jim, I couldn't agree with you more. Last year I planted c. Super Ellen and expected it to die like the countless other crinums I planted over the years. To my extreme delight not only did it survive, but threw up two blooming spikes. The first one wasn't that strong but the second one was about three feet and was covered in 20 beautiful fragrant purplish blooms. I just finished weeding around it and plant on giving it a good mulch for the winter and hope for the best. Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA USDA Zone 6b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/