possible change in importation rules (NAPPRA) now Kudzu

Robin Carrier robin@no1bird.net
Mon, 23 May 2016 18:41:09 PDT
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> On May 23, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Tim Eck <teck11@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In my area, invasiveness is largely defined by whether deer will eat them.
> When I took a walk through my back forty, bemoaning the numerous invasives
> that are degrading the habitat, the common denominator is unpalatability for
> deer.  In Pennsylvania, a forest will generally not regenerate with native
> trees when lumbered due to deer damage.  Only invasives will regrow.  When
> you look at a nursery/bulb catalog, just look at all the imports touted as
> 'deer-proof'.
> 
> Tim Eck
> When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he
> says something that is not trivial, then it is false.
> Gauss
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Harvey
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 2:36 AM
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] possible change in importation rules (NAPPRA) now Kudzu
>> 
>> NAPPRA doesn't have a credibility profile. What should we do?
>> 
>> PRA doesn't "establish" anything. As has been discussed many times on this
>> forum, the invasiveness question is highly subjective and dependent on
>> locale. Furthermore, the USDA lacks the fundamental knowledge to make
>> any informed decision and ignores advice given even when requested. Their
>> funding would be better spent subsidizing informed pest control at a local
>> level.
>> 
>> T
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2016, at 11:01 PM, William Aley <aley_wd@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The issue from the developer of NAPPRA is that few plants have a 'Pest
>>> profile' that a PRA establishes.  Best also from the early days of
>>> unbridled plant imports
>>> http://maxshores.com/the-amazing-story-of-kudzu/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 22, 2016, at 21:33, aaron floden <aaron_floden@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Kudzu was not wanted by gardeners and its current pest status is due to
>> the US government using it as a soil stabilizer. They spent millions
> planting it
>> directly or paying farmers to plant it by the acre. The Smithsonian had
> great
>> article that discussed most of the history with a few things left out.
> This is not
>> one that can be blamed on gardeners. The same can be said for Morus alba,
>> Microstegium which came in through Oak Ridge as packing material, and
>> probably numerous others. A few I see regularly are various Eleagnus
>> promoted as a mining recovery plant, Lespedeza was planted in these sites
>> as well.
>>>> So now the question is how much will an assessment cost for an
>> unintroduced to cultivation species so that it is NAPPRA allowable?
>>>> 
>>>> Aaron
>>>> 
>>>>    From: William Aley <aley_wd@icloud.com>
>>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] possible change in importation rules (NAPPRA)
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately NAPPRA is now the rule of the import system. There are
>>>> USDA staff busy placing taxa on the NAPPRA in conjunction with
>>>> university scientists to compile the background documents. The
>>>> problem is USDA does not know uf a taxa is a host to a disease that
>>>> could become established or if the taxa is a potential plant lest
>>>> ie:///weed/. No one will have an understanding of the potential until a
>>>> Pest Risk Analysis is completed. Once upon a time USDA was chided by
>>>> the American horticultural Association because a popular plant was
>>>> not allowed to be imported into the USA. It was viewed at the worlds
>>>> fair to be the most adaptive , tough and disease resistant taxa and
>>>> it would not only stabilise the soil it would also add nitrogen to
>>>> the soul. So USDA  allowed unregulated import of the plant to satisfy
>>>> not only horticulturalist but soil conservationists.  The result is a
>>>> plant know as kudzu. The rest is history. So is unregulated import of
>>>> unknown plants a good idea until somethi
>> n
>>> g
>>>> goes wrong? Then try to clean up the environment after?  Who pays for
>> the clean up of plants tossed from a private garden into the hedge row
> that
>> eventually naturalise and begin invading the environment and other peoples
>> gardens?
>>>> 
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