Each species has a more or less constant amount of DNA (excluding polyploids) To give an example from Galanthus: G nivalis has 72 picogram (pg) DNA per nucleus G reginae olgae 76 G elwesii 56pg(also 106pg=4x and 154=6x) Galanthus (elwesii var) monostictus 59pg Any one interested in the pdf? just send me an Email ben zonneveld 2016-01-06 19:43 GMT+01:00 <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org>: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > (Gordon Hogenson) > 2. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation (Jane McGary) > 3. Re: Pollinators of 2016 (sick of mr yet?) (Garak) > 4. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > (Gordon Hogenson) > 5. naming of plants (Ben Zonneveld) > 6. Re: naming of plants (Gianinatio) > 7. Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Rick Buell) > 8. Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Rick Buell) > 9. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Dennis Kramb) > 10. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Arnold) > 11. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (James SHIELDS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:10:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gordon Hogenson <gordonhogenson@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > Message-ID: > <1425068909.702871.1452046220977.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I love the Erythronium book!? Beautiful and helpful?photos and interesting > information in each?installment. > The comments about E. montanum were interesting -?Ian says?he?started seed > of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually > producing a?strain that was adapted to the local?conditions. This is > something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the?issue of > cross-pollination with other Erythronium?? In general, I have heard that > Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to > closely related species.? I don't know?what species?will cross with?which > other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate.??Did Ian > hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them? > Gordon > ? > > From: youngs <youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com> > To: PBS lists <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:21 AM > Subject: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > > The last Bulb log for this year, No. 52, is now online and features > three more chapters on > ? Erythronium montanum, E. elegans and E. klamathense. > Ian still has more chapters to write so is moving the date for the full > combined "e-book" > ? 'Erythroniums in Cultivation' going online to the end of January. > http://srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/… > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:41:08 -0800 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > Message-ID: <568C7EC4.40100@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Some people interested in Erythronium think that the narrow endemic > Erythronium elegans arose as a hybrid of E. montanum and E. oreganum. I > don't know whether this view is still widely held. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > On 1/5/2016 6:10 PM, Gordon Hogenson wrote: > > I love the Erythronium book! Beautiful and helpful photos and > interesting information in each installment. > > The comments about E. montanum were interesting - Ian says he started > seed of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually > producing a strain that was adapted to the local conditions. This is > something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the issue of > cross-pollination with other Erythronium? In general, I have heard that > Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to > closely related species. I don't know what species will cross with which > other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate. Did Ian > hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them? > > Gordon > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:53:04 +0100 > From: Garak <garak@code-garak.de> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pollinators of 2016 (sick of mr yet?) > Message-ID: <568CC7E0.5060104@code-garak.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > May I assume there is money to be made by "discovering" new taxa? > > > something worse than money: scientific reputation. Describing "your own > taxon" is basically immortality in the world of science. > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 00:05:59 -0800 > From: Gordon Hogenson <gordonhogenson@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > Message-ID: <914786.81070.bm@smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Erythronium quinaultense is also believed to have originated as a natural > hybrid between E. revolutum and E. montanum. Chris Clennett cites a 2001 > paper by a botanist named G. A. Allen on hybrid speciation in Erythronium. > The paper also says that both hybrid species are tetraploids. > > Gordon > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jane McGary" <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > Sent: ?1/?5/?2016 6:41 PM > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation > > Some people interested in Erythronium think that the narrow endemic > Erythronium elegans arose as a hybrid of E. montanum and E. oreganum. I > don't know whether this view is still widely held. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > On 1/5/2016 6:10 PM, Gordon Hogenson wrote: > > I love the Erythronium book! Beautiful and helpful photos and > interesting information in each installment. > > The comments about E. montanum were interesting - Ian says he started > seed of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually > producing a strain that was adapted to the local conditions. This is > something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the issue of > cross-pollination with other Erythronium? In general, I have heard that > Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to > closely related species. I don't know what species will cross with which > other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate. Did Ian > hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them? > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:37:01 +0100 > From: Ben Zonneveld <ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl> > To: Pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] naming of plants > Message-ID: > <CACZ7c-ieJ2LA0tnjULtxca_L0= > NZ7d4co-+nfaw5cjfXbidYGw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ?I like to defend the taxonomists, although I am a genticist > If properly done new taxa are based on many characters?.These can be > divided in morphological characters, DNA sequence characters and what I do > myself the amount of DNA per nucleus. I investigated all wild galanthus ( > and many other genera)in that respect. They vary in the amount of nuclear > DNA from 49 to 164 pg DNA per nucleus. So it is easy to discriminate the > Galanthus species (humans have about 7 picogram)Yes there are hybrids. > These can be recognized because often also the parents are around. Moreover > they are often sterile. Lastly naming new taxa is just part of the job, no > extra money involved. > Ben > > -- > > BJM Zonneveld > Naturalis, Herbarium section > Postbox 9517 > Darwinweg 2, 2300RA Leiden > The Netherlands > Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>, > telf 071-7517228 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:50:47 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gianinatio <gianinatio@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] naming of plants > Message-ID: > <2019599190.771228.1452091847963.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thank you. ? That's fascinating. ?Is the weight a reflection of number of > base pairs / genome size? If so, how is it easy to discriminate with that > broad a range (49-164)? ? Or is that the range of all genera you tested? > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:37 AM, Ben Zonneveld < > ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl> wrote: > > > ?I like to defend the taxonomists, although I am a genticist > If properly done new taxa are based on many characters?.These can be > divided in morphological characters, DNA sequence characters and what I do > myself the amount of DNA per nucleus. I investigated all wild galanthus ( > and many other genera)in that respect. They vary in the amount of nuclear > DNA from 49 to 164 pg DNA per nucleus. So it is easy to discriminate the > Galanthus species (humans have about 7 picogram)Yes there are hybrids. > These can be recognized because often also the parents are around. Moreover > they are often sterile. Lastly naming new taxa is just part of the job, no > extra money involved. > Ben > > -- > > BJM Zonneveld > Naturalis, Herbarium section > Postbox 9517 > Darwinweg 2,? 2300RA Leiden > The Netherlands > Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>, > telf 071-7517228 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:27:09 +0000 (UTC) > From: Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen. > Message-ID: > <1004086066.832276.1452101229122.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is this > typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from > self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the > same species for another try. > > If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately, > as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen, > seeds, or postage in return. > Thanks, > Rick Buell > New London, CT > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) > From: Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen. > Message-ID: > <1852023571.841604.1452102278561.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is this > typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from > self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the > same species for another try. > > If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately, > as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen, > seeds, or postage in return. > Thanks, > Rick Buell > New London, CT > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:21:01 -0500 > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen. > Message-ID: > < > CAKjnnTxkdfwq8uZQb6z5B2CCvzoxFE+jvmFBFgko21Fg8OmQKw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I don't have it, but out of curiosity what does the H. stand for? > > Thanks, > Dennis in Cincinnati > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is > this > > typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from > > self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the > > same species for another try. > > > > If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately, > > as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen, > > seeds, or postage in return. > > Thanks, > > Rick Buell > > New London, CT > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:40:36 -0500 > From: Arnold <arnold140@verizon.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen. > Message-ID: <6A272A68-6054-4AA9-A6D6-0F292C202730@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hippeastrum > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote: > > > > I don't have it, but out of curiosity what does the H. stand for? > > > > Thanks, > > Dennis in Cincinnati > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is > this > >> typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from > >> self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the > >> same species for another try. > >> > >> If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately, > >> as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen, > >> seeds, or postage in return. > >> Thanks, > >> Rick Buell > >> New London, CT > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:43:17 -0500 > From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen. > Message-ID: > < > CAPSFtJCCV75jrEULrk2xXjFjSHPGvjq2y4hTXsUntOobfnfgeg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have H. mandonii, but mine did not bloom the last two years; so I can't > supply any right now. Maybe next Fall. > > Jim > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Arnold <arnold140@verizon.net> wrote: > > > Hippeastrum > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote: > > > > > > I don't have it, but out of curiosity what does the H. stand for? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dennis in Cincinnati > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is > > this > > >> typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from > > >> self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of > the > > >> same species for another try. > > >> > > >> If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me > privately, > > >> as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen, > > >> seeds, or postage in return. > > >> Thanks, > > >> Rick Buell > > >> New London, CT > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pbs mailing list > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > -- > James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com > P.O. Box 92 > Westfield, IN 46074 > U.S.A. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 156, Issue 8 > *********************************** > -- BJM Zonneveld Naturalis, Herbarium section Postbox 9517 Darwinweg 2, 2300RA Leiden The Netherlands Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>, telf 071-7517228