And even quicker to see the archives are the ones posted on ibiblio as there is a delay before messages end up on the PBS website archive. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php If you send an email to the list and it doesn't arrive in your inbox (if an individual subscriber) in a timely fashion, that's the first place to look. If it is not there, there is probably a problem with the list. If it is there, it may be a problem with your email provider. If all of their lists are down, you won't even be able to access the ibiblio archives. David Pilling created a better archive for list messages that you can search and doesn't go out when the list is down. You can't do that through the ibiblio archives, but new messages are not posted there immediately. Mary Sue