As far as PBS in effect advising others in these matters, what David says is correct. At the same time, Ernie I think asks us to consider some philosophical aspects of this topic and that is an avenue that anyone is free to pursue or not. The conservation of cultivated plants (and wild plants) is an evolving pursuit and the common wisdom among horticulturists and the regulators both have undergone radical changes within living memory. These changes did not involve our participation for the most part and we should ask why us "end users" should not have a place at the table, if for no other reason than to be better informed in our own thinking about plant conservation. A better future for plants in the wild and for growers can only develop where there is open discussion among a wide range of voices. A few years ago the USDA asked for public input on proposed changes to plant import laws. It was heartening to see the responses from many different people in different, even unrelated fields, with little redundancy. No one was advocating for breaking the law but they openly questioned the wisdom of certain ideas in our laws or potential laws. Dylan Hannon Hi, > > Please stick to the letter of the law here on the PBS list. > > My future plans do not involve doing time for conspiracy. > > People from the appropriate authorities are members of this list and > have explained the rules in the past. > > The list archives are public and persistent - this is not the place to > say anything you might wish to deny in the future. > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > >